Vernon is Trashed

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normaM wrote: Dec 18th, 2023, 12:41 pm the garbage was disgusting. at least they could clean up after themselves
They can't! It's a mental health issue. Otherwise, they wouldn't be homeless.
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BC Landlord wrote: Dec 18th, 2023, 1:03 pm
normaM wrote: Dec 18th, 2023, 12:41 pm the garbage was disgusting. at least they could clean up after themselves
They can't! It's a mental health issue. Otherwise, they wouldn't be homeless.
This needs to be argued or at least once and for all proper data analysis.
Portland found that a very large segment of its homeless were in fact not represented or concluded with any documented proof to have mental illness at the start of their homeless walk.
The buzz is always trying to label every single homeless person with mental illness. And that's not accurate.
Many other factors lead to these issue's, including things like coming from dysfunctional families, loss of employment.
No way of successfully dealing with the issue's surrounding this when certain politics are so heavily played into its campaign.
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liisgo wrote: Jan 8th, 2024, 7:07 pm
BC Landlord wrote: Dec 18th, 2023, 1:03 pm
They can't! It's a mental health issue. Otherwise, they wouldn't be homeless.
This needs to be argued or at least once and for all proper data analysis.
Portland found that a very large segment of its homeless were in fact not represented or concluded with any documented proof to have mental illness at the start of their homeless walk.
The buzz is always trying to label every single homeless person with mental illness. And that's not accurate.
Many other factors lead to these issue's, including things like coming from dysfunctional families, loss of employment.
No way of successfully dealing with the issue's surrounding this when certain politics are so heavily played into its campaign.
So the few that aren’t having mental issues should be labeled how?
Truths can be backed up by facts - do you have any?
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How about the ones that sadly didn’t deserve to be homeless but are buying stolen goods?
Truths can be backed up by facts - do you have any?
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Fancy wrote: Jan 8th, 2024, 7:13 pm
liisgo wrote: Jan 8th, 2024, 7:07 pm

This needs to be argued or at least once and for all proper data analysis.
Portland found that a very large segment of its homeless were in fact not represented or concluded with any documented proof to have mental illness at the start of their homeless walk.
The buzz is always trying to label every single homeless person with mental illness. And that's not accurate.
Many other factors lead to these issue's, including things like coming from dysfunctional families, loss of employment.
No way of successfully dealing with the issue's surrounding this when certain politics are so heavily played into its campaign.
So the few that aren’t having mental issues should be labeled how?
You need to back up, realize every single post one doesn't want effecting their personal political value, actually pertains to something. Just because its not the narrative needed to support a left wing political stance.
The post is yet clear, please acknowledge it for that very precise reason.
Labelling homeless with one title, mental illness, is misleading, and misdirecting. Its not the proven case for all peoples homelessness situation.
What a ridiculous statement, "so the few that aren't having mental issues should be labeled how"
So, as long as the narrative is pushed, then label's meet your approval.
We have 3 families with in our corporation that have kids that went on to be homeless and have addiction issues, not one had a mental illness diagnoses, what shall we label them, "Mental illness"?
Really, time to leave the politics' out.
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liisgo wrote: Jan 9th, 2024, 8:50 am
Fancy wrote: Jan 8th, 2024, 7:13 pm

So the few that aren’t having mental issues should be labeled how?
You need to back up, realize every single post one doesn't want effecting their personal political value, actually pertains to something. Just because its not the narrative needed to support a left wing political stance.
The post is yet clear, please acknowledge it for that very precise reason.
Labelling homeless with one title, mental illness, is misleading, and misdirecting. Its not the proven case for all peoples homelessness situation.
What a ridiculous statement, "so the few that aren't having mental issues should be labeled how"
So, as long as the narrative is pushed, then label's meet your approval.
We have 3 families with in our corporation that have kids that went on to be homeless and have addiction issues, not one had a mental illness diagnoses, what shall we label them, "Mental illness"?
Really, time to leave the politics' out.
There isn't a concrete definition of mental illness though. The Canadian Government defines it as;

"...the reduced ability for a person to function effectively over a prolonged period of time because of: significant levels of distress. changes in thinking, mood or behaviour. feelings of isolation, loneliness and sadness. the feeling of being disconnected from people and activities."

So by that metric, everybody is either dealing with or has at some point in their lives dealt with mental illness. In effect, the term has been so diluted that impossible to pinpoint anymore. It's like the Oprah car meme: "YOU have a mental illness, and YOU have a mental illness and YOU have a mental illness, everyone has a mental illness!!".

The blame for every dysfunctional action can now be placed on "mental illness", thereby alleviating the burden of personal responsibility for anyone who doesn't want to shoulder it and our tendency for generalized pathological empathy will continue to enable every single poor life decision to instead be viewed as hardship endured due to the struggle with mental illness. Learned helplessness is the result, causing more and more people to become crippled with perpetual dependance to the state until the day comes that the state can no longer support them. At which point anyone who hasn't already died by OD can opt to be humanely dispatched via the inevitable changes to the MAiD criteria that will soon include anyone who self identifies as being mentally ill. The problem will eventually self-correct, until then we will just need to watch it get worse and worse. The good news is that if you don't fall into that trap, you'll be fine.....just need to deal with an increasing amount of garbage, theft, and harassment for a while.

TL;DR no solution, ride the tiger.
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Honestly, it's disappointing how some folks just don't care about the community.
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kmoonen wrote: Feb 3rd, 2024, 7:52 am Honestly, it's disappointing how some folks just don't care about the community.
Absolutely, that they do NOT care about the community OR for themselves either.

A “shelter” building is in our neighbourhood that used to be seniors, pretty much. No consultation with existing owners, just BAM! There they are, in a building funded by taxpayers with nursemaids looking after them, funded by taxpayers, with a high barbed wire fence protecting “their” bikes from theft! Truly laughable.

Ambulance visits constantly (funded by taxpayers), given “free” food that they discard for crows or rats to consume, trash left wherever they decide to drop it without a backwards glance….and let’s not forget summer nights when they roam the streets until 5 a.m. with shopping carts ($200.00 each) rumbling along whilst they shout at each other their affection for each other in terms of F You…NO, F YOU!

To make matters worse we see cars of recent production parked in the street, the driver waiting for his “hit” with cash in hand. Keeps them both going, I guess.

How on earth is this allowed to happen in a civilized (supposedly) society?

Should you visit Japan none of this will be seen there. It’s like Canada used to be a decade ago.
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Catsumi wrote: Feb 4th, 2024, 7:09 pm
kmoonen wrote: Feb 3rd, 2024, 7:52 am Honestly, it's disappointing how some folks just don't care about the community.
Absolutely, that they do NOT care about the community OR for themselves either.

A “shelter” building is in our neighbourhood that used to be seniors, pretty much. No consultation with existing owners, just BAM! There they are, in a building funded by taxpayers with nursemaids looking after them, funded by taxpayers, with a high barbed wire fence protecting “their” bikes from theft! Truly laughable.

Ambulance visits constantly (funded by taxpayers), given “free” food that they discard for crows or rats to consume, trash left wherever they decide to drop it without a backwards glance….and let’s not forget summer nights when they roam the streets until 5 a.m. with shopping carts ($200.00 each) rumbling along whilst they shout at each other their affection for each other in terms of F You…NO, F YOU!

To make matters worse we see cars of recent production parked in the street, the driver waiting for his “hit” with cash in hand. Keeps them both going, I guess.

How on earth is this allowed to happen in a civilized (supposedly) society?

Should you visit Japan none of this will be seen there. It’s like Canada used to be a decade ago.
This needs to go to Vernon mayor and city council with the question WHY? after every one of your observations.

Do they give a crap about the neighbourhoods they've ruined?
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Apparently not

Very few seniors dare walk the streets even in daylight as there’s always a gathering of the darlings somewhere about, high as kites and who wants to chance that one of them is on the lam for assault or murder?

This was once a beautiful, treed, clean and quiet area of town until this abomination was plunked down in our midst.

I’ve reached the conclusion that should I need medics stat, the wisest thing to do is haul myself to the Shelter and make the 911 call from there. Fast service. All the time. No waiting. 24/7.
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Babba_not_Gump wrote: Feb 4th, 2024, 7:23 pm
Catsumi wrote: Feb 4th, 2024, 7:09 pm

Absolutely, that they do NOT care about the community OR for themselves either.

A “shelter” building is in our neighbourhood that used to be seniors, pretty much. No consultation with existing owners, just BAM! There they are, in a building funded by taxpayers with nursemaids looking after them, funded by taxpayers, with a high barbed wire fence protecting “their” bikes from theft! Truly laughable.

Ambulance visits constantly (funded by taxpayers), given “free” food that they discard for crows or rats to consume, trash left wherever they decide to drop it without a backwards glance….and let’s not forget summer nights when they roam the streets until 5 a.m. with shopping carts ($200.00 each) rumbling along whilst they shout at each other their affection for each other in terms of F You…NO, F YOU!

To make matters worse we see cars of recent production parked in the street, the driver waiting for his “hit” with cash in hand. Keeps them both going, I guess.

How on earth is this allowed to happen in a civilized (supposedly) society?

Should you visit Japan none of this will be seen there. It’s like Canada used to be a decade ago.
This needs to go to Vernon mayor and city council with the question WHY? after every one of your observations.

Do they give a crap about the neighbourhoods they've ruined?
Short answer, no. We have a few councilors who are part of the ‘save the vulnerable souls at all costs’. The current mayor is quite progressive it turned out. Not to mention his wife works in MH&SU and has for years. How do I know? I work in her department from time to time for years. Nice enough lady on a ‘hi how are you’ basis but quite the firecracker in her own right lol
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When's the next election?
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It “seems” that the message is finally getting across to the powers that be. The entrance to Vernon has turned into nothing but an eyesore, a trash heap and a threat to wildlife along the shore of Swan Lake (I renamed it Swine Lake).

I realize it’s an uphill battle with no thanks to those for their efforts being made to clean it up. However, I Do thank you.

Best thing to see in future is the end of those filthy encampments that besmirch the Vernon entrance

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Drove past the south side of Swan Lake a couple times this past week.
Nice to see the trash heap and everything that goes with it, cleaned out.

Left the ground quite rough, maybe a move to deter those that are prone
re offend.

Hope it lasts.
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dirtybiker wrote: Mar 9th, 2024, 10:08 am Drove past the south side of Swan Lake a couple times this past week.
Nice to see the trash heap and everything that goes with it, cleaned out.

Left the ground quite rough, maybe a move to deter those that are prone
re offend.

Hope it lasts.
I was in Vernon a couple days ago and noticed the area has been cleaned up and cleared out, good to see . Where will the encampments surface next ?

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