Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Frisk » Jun 11th, 2015, 9:20 pm

It's really irritating that we have to deal with the same thing over and over again every year.
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby tsayta » Jun 11th, 2015, 9:29 pm

Quailize wrote:It's really irritating that we have to deal with the same thing over and over again every year.

Really?
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Frisk » Jun 11th, 2015, 9:43 pm

Estimated at 1,300 hectares now.
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Bretbaby » Jun 11th, 2015, 10:35 pm

Crazy!
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby EI_firefighter » Jun 11th, 2015, 10:37 pm

Quailize wrote:It's really irritating that we have to deal with the same thing over and over again every year.


Hey its just the forces of nature. No different than Florida dealing with hurricanes, Oklahoma dealing with tornadoes. Fire is a part of our eco-system. In fact, much of our native forest requires fire to re-generate. It is unfortunate that humans are the cause of many of these fires, however its humans that also control these fires. Which in itself can have it own consequences. (Excessive fuel load, pine beetle) Every year we here in BC will have forest fires. Some years more than others. Its up to those of us that live within the interface area to take preventative measures prior to the next ignition. It does not do us any good to get frustrated with the situation. We need to be more proactive.

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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Frisk » Jun 11th, 2015, 11:00 pm

It's unfortunate that we've let forest fuels build up to the point where we can no longer let nature take its course without dealing with property damage and the threat to human lives. Firefighting in BC has improved since 2003 but it still doesn't fully prevent events like what happen in Lytton today.

Bretbaby wrote:Crazy!


Looks quite minimal, to be honest. Maybe rank 2-3. I was expecting it to look a lot worse.
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby EI_firefighter » Jun 11th, 2015, 11:22 pm

Your right it is terrible that the forest have been miss managed for many of years and now we are in this situation. That said our situation is really not that dire. I know these fires look really dramatic and all but relative to other natural disasters they cause relatively little harm to us humans. First off no human has been killed from a forest fire in BC since the 1970's and at that it was indirect. (Tree fell on firefighter) (Not including pilots) Obviously pilot inherit a unique risk when the get involved. Compare that to other natural disasters such as earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes. Each of these disasters take the lives of many each year. Second for the most part all that is lost in a year of forest fires are a few homes and or cabins. (Replaceable) In the grand scheme of things a hail storm in the prairies does more damage in terms of dollars. Ultimately we should embrace, respect and prepare for the inevitable forest fires of the summer season and remember how good we have it living in BC. It could be a lot worse!

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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Frisk » Jun 12th, 2015, 12:35 am

The area around Lytton was burned previously many years ago so the fuels there are reduced, and there's natural barriers to the west and south. As long as they keep it in that bubble and away from the patches of unburned fuels around Lytton then there's basically very little threat to human property.

Activity appears to be minimal right now. Probably rank 1-2. Temperatures drop very quickly in those steep valleys and so does fire behavior.
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Frisk » Jun 12th, 2015, 1:05 am

Those flare ups are very bright.
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Woodenhead » Jun 12th, 2015, 3:28 am

tsayta wrote:Smoke visible in Kelowna now

It was visible for literally hours before that post. I was at work at ~5 and was wondering where it was from.
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Frisk » Jun 12th, 2015, 7:58 am

It got soaked by rain this morning. There's even snow on nearby mountains.
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Frisk » Jun 12th, 2015, 9:50 am

Still raining. It'll definitely help with the suppression efforts.
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Drip_Torch » Jun 12th, 2015, 11:22 am

Funny, I agree to a large extent with what you are saying, but...

First off no human has been killed from a forest fire in BC since the 1970's and at that it was indirect. (Tree fell on firefighter) (Not including pilots) Obviously pilot inherit a unique risk when the get involved.


No, that's not true - at all.

Compare that to other natural disasters such as earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes


Compare forest fire losses to lightening and now you've got a valid comparison. (8 to 10 a year in Canada) Yes, currently you have a far better chance of being struck dead by lightening than taken out by a forest fire. Fire suppression remains a high risk occupation. Some, myself included, would argue that there is increasing potential for catastrophic loss due largely to cultural issues in both the development and the fire suppression communities. (I could build an argument to suggest we're in stage 2 of Turner's disaster incubation model)

Second for the most part all that is lost in a year of forest fires are a few homes and or cabins. (Replaceable) In the grand scheme of things a hail storm in the prairies does more damage in terms of dollars. Ultimately we should embrace, respect and prepare for the inevitable forest fires of the summer season and remember how good we have it living in BC


Tell that to people living in Slave Lake and I'm sure they'll disagree with you. Forest fires, although fascinating and awesome in their release of energy are really no big deal - that is a natural cycle that we disrupt to our own peril. However, there's an inherent reliance on a bit of a false economy in your premise here. When forest fires enter the intermix and interface zones the potential impacts are far further reaching than you suggest. If a community is having trouble keeping up on it's maintenance and filling pot holes, it's simply unbelievable to suggest that replacing infrastructure, while coping with a loss of tax base is no big thing. Those losses are real and sure there's federal, provincial and insurance funds that kick in to cope with the loss, but at the end of the day that money is still coming out of the same pockets that were having trouble keeping up with the pot holes that need to be filled.

It could be a lot worse!


And, on that point we agree 100%, only I would suggest we rely on vigilance and community engagement, rather than a "kind providence" to see us through.

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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby Frisk » Jun 12th, 2015, 12:16 pm

Cleared up a bit. Not much to see. The rain really helped, it's a great opportunity for firefighters to get some containment on it.
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Re: Cisco Road Wildfire (near Lytton)

Postby bob vernon » Jun 12th, 2015, 1:11 pm

What this thread needs to liven things up is someone to suggest bringing in the Martin Mars. You know, to bomb the fire.
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