Is it time to close BC down?

Fire-related topics

Is it time to close BC down?

Postby Barney Google » Jul 6th, 2015, 9:32 pm

Do you think it's time for the Province to close our provincial parks and campgrounds and limit and or close off access to the back country? Would doing this be 'over reacting' or a 'wise precautionary measure'?
“Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away and barefoot. ”
- Unknown
User avatar
Barney Google
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3875
Likes: 3304 posts
Liked in: 3282 posts
Joined: Feb 6th, 2010, 10:10 am
Location: It varies...

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby tsayta » Jul 6th, 2015, 9:40 pm

Silly
I have learned that to be with those I like is enough.
WW
User avatar
tsayta
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3432
Likes: 1481 posts
Liked in: 1964 posts
Joined: Feb 1st, 2006, 9:25 pm
Location: Kelowna

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby Farmmaa » Jul 6th, 2015, 9:41 pm

Stop tourists from coming to BC for summer holidays ?
Might as well shut down most of the local businesses as well, since they depend on these few months in order to survive.

You can't stop people from camping, visiting our provincial parks...and you sure can't stop people from using the thousands of acres of 'back country'.

Do these places all need to be very closely monitored and patrolled ?
Absolutely.

Always Sunny likes this post.
Farmmaa
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2993
Likes: 1157 posts
Liked in: 2586 posts
Joined: Sep 24th, 2013, 6:46 am

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby pentona » Jul 6th, 2015, 10:53 pm

Farmmaa wrote:Stop tourists from coming to BC for summer holidays ?
Might as well shut down most of the local businesses as well, since they depend on these few months in order to survive.

You can't stop people from camping, visiting our provincial parks...and you sure can't stop people from using the thousands of acres of 'back country'.

Do these places all need to be very closely monitored and patrolled ?
Absolutely.


They sure as H_ll can and have on rare occasions shut down the back country. Its a big undertaking but may be necessary if things get worse.
pentona
Übergod
 
Posts: 1271
Likes: 313 posts
Liked in: 695 posts
Joined: Feb 21st, 2011, 5:38 pm

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby Woodenhead » Jul 7th, 2015, 2:03 am

They can't. They can try, but there's always ways around it. Shut down the back country today, I'll be hiking in it tomorrow, scot-free.
Wealth without work. Pleasure without conscience. Knowledge without character. Commerce without morality. Science without humanity. Politics without principle. Your bias suits you.
User avatar
Woodenhead
Guru
 
Posts: 5187
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 968 posts
Joined: Jun 2nd, 2009, 2:47 pm

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby vinnied » Jul 7th, 2015, 5:32 am

Went for a walk in one of our local parks last night. witnessed someone smoking, and cigarette buts all over the trail. No I'm not dissin on smokers, just sayin seeing most of the province is in a high, to extreme fire danger rating, maybe the OP is onto something.
User avatar
vinnied
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3487
Likes: 131 posts
Liked in: 1726 posts
Joined: Jul 22nd, 2007, 10:51 am
Location: The Greater Kelowna Regional District

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby LTD » Jul 7th, 2015, 7:04 am

I don't think they can really shut down the back country but I think they should be closing any parks that are next to interface areas
LTD
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 4700
Likes: 3310 posts
Liked in: 3824 posts
Joined: Mar 31st, 2010, 3:34 pm

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby Barney Google » Jul 7th, 2015, 7:23 am

I'm not on one side of this question or the other...i was just asking for opinions and thoughts. When the fire raged through Okanagan in the past the ministry did actually ban access to the back country. I remember forestry roads being cordoned off and people being told not to camp in certain areas. I also recall, in my "Back yard", that people ignored those bans and tore down the barriers and went along their merry way. Yes it would be and was very hard to enforce and monitor but maybe it should be done...or not? The concerns I have are not people like Our dear Woodenhead...who without a doubt is a respectful and savvy backwoods expert...the worries are the dorks that Vinnie has noted
“Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away and barefoot. ”
- Unknown
User avatar
Barney Google
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3875
Likes: 3304 posts
Liked in: 3282 posts
Joined: Feb 6th, 2010, 10:10 am
Location: It varies...

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby Barney Google » Jul 7th, 2015, 8:17 am

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
“Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away and barefoot. ”
- Unknown
User avatar
Barney Google
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3875
Likes: 3304 posts
Liked in: 3282 posts
Joined: Feb 6th, 2010, 10:10 am
Location: It varies...

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby Dizzy1 » Jul 7th, 2015, 9:26 am

Barney Google wrote:Do you think it's time for the Province to close our provincial parks and campgrounds

Go down to Vancouver International Airport and watch all the charter flights coming in from overseas during the summer - the majority of those people coming in on those flights are coming here for one reason - to see and explore our great outdoors.
Barney Google wrote: limit and or close off access to the back country?

Seems to be working well in the winter time with snowboarders ;)
Barney Google wrote:Would doing this be 'over reacting' or a 'wise precautionary measure'?

Honestly, it would be economic suicide. The amount of money we'd loose in lost tourism revenue is far greater than what we have to spend in fighting the fires, both human caused and natural fires.
Nobody wants to hear your opinion. They just want to hear their own opinion coming out of your mouth.

Barney Google likes this post.
Dizzy1
Walks on Forum Water
 
Posts: 10778
Likes: 4507 posts
Liked in: 5151 posts
Joined: Feb 12th, 2011, 2:56 pm

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby ohgeeze » Jul 7th, 2015, 9:32 am

I must be crazy, I thought more people would use their common sense...its dry, its fire season... Could the government not have more conservation officers patrolling the parks, etc? I smoke and I am not afraid to speak my mind if I see some a$$hole flicking a butt of any kind. I'd rather be beaked off at then have a fire start.

3 people like this post.
ohgeeze
Generalissimo Postalot
 
Posts: 824
Likes: 306 posts
Liked in: 49 posts
Joined: May 11th, 2008, 11:23 pm

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby Barney Google » Jul 7th, 2015, 1:33 pm

ohgeeze wrote:I must be crazy, I thought more people would use their common sense...its dry, its fire season... Could the government not have more conservation officers patrolling the parks, etc? I smoke and I am not afraid to speak my mind if I see some a$$hole flicking a butt of any kind. I'd rather be beaked off at then have a fire start.


Couldn't agree with you more, Oh Geeze...this past weekend when hwy 33 was closed from both ends family members were able to return to the farm in Joe Rich via McCullough road...in the early morning on their way home they went by a number of campers and every single one of them had campfires going. Collective communal ignoring of Forestry orders and just plain stupidity abounds.

The longer I live the more I come to believe that there is little common in common sense.
“Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away and barefoot. ”
- Unknown

2 people like this post.
User avatar
Barney Google
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3875
Likes: 3304 posts
Liked in: 3282 posts
Joined: Feb 6th, 2010, 10:10 am
Location: It varies...

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby dieseluphammerdown » Jul 7th, 2015, 2:57 pm

Barney Google wrote:

Couldn't agree with you more, Oh Geeze...this past weekend when hwy 33 was closed from both ends family members were able to return to the farm in Joe Rich via McCullough road...in the early morning on their way home they went by a number of campers and every single one of them had campfires going. Collective communal ignoring of Forestry orders and just plain stupidity abounds.

The longer I live the more I come to believe that there is little common in common sense.
This is why the back country and all non controlled camps spots should be shut down, as far to many campers feel they are either entitled to have a camp fire, or are of the mind set the rules apply to everybody but them.
Yes I know some will argue that the valley needs the revenue created by the tourists , but with the high cost of fighting these fires the bad far out ways the economical gain to a few who depend on the tourists.
AS for the local campers well there are just as many who have the attitude that the bans don't apply to them , so during these hot dry times , the valley offers other things to do then risk the forest and the scenery for a few bad apples who ruin it for all.
** Note this will also keep those god for sake'n smokers out of the back country also**.! :-)
This message brought to you by a proud old stock Canadian.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Id love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes
And shoot him with my old 45
User avatar
dieseluphammerdown
Guru
 
Posts: 5255
Likes: 5182 posts
Liked in: 3116 posts
Joined: Apr 23rd, 2009, 8:31 am

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby butcher99 » Jul 7th, 2015, 3:25 pm

I don't think they should close the parks down. Few fires start in camp grounds.
It might be time to shut down all ATVs and motorized bikes in the back country.
butcher99
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3782
Likes: 8 posts
Liked in: 825 posts
Joined: Mar 6th, 2005, 9:52 pm
Location: Kelowna

Re: Is it time to close BC down?

Postby Barney Google » Jul 7th, 2015, 4:11 pm

Dizzy1 wrote:Honestly, it would be economic suicide. The amount of money we'd loose in lost tourism revenue is far greater than what we have to spend in fighting the fires, both human caused and natural fires.



I sure see your point Dizzy1.

Guess it's cause I live right up next to the bush and only have one exit, for all intents and purposes, to get outta here if I choose to leave, that I pose these questions and ask for everyone's thoughts. I know that some, who are in my position, would question though if the economic suicide you suggest is worth protecting at the cost of people's lives, properties and homes.

What about, as suggested, banning the use of motorized vehicles, ATVs, etc in the back country would be one step to take?
Again, 'policing' all this would be mind boggling, I'm sure

Fire Starters Ignore Ban
http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-st ... htm#143649

Again, I'm not for or against any of these questions, at this point, I am interested in hearing what others think.
“Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away and barefoot. ”
- Unknown
User avatar
Barney Google
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3875
Likes: 3304 posts
Liked in: 3282 posts
Joined: Feb 6th, 2010, 10:10 am
Location: It varies...

Next

Return to Fire Watch 2015

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CommonCrawl [Bot] and 0 guests