Bike lane for Penticton

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hozzle wrote: Sep 21st, 2022, 5:03 pm
spooker wrote: Sep 20th, 2022, 6:59 pm

Does it matter? If someone has a bike that they enjoy that should be enough ... sort of like how driving a beater is not a big target for car theft ...
Sometimes a beater is easier to steal... don't assume :biggrin:
Of course it might be ... a beater might have less value to the owner, hence that nickname ... the owner might make less effort in securing it ... but it still could be a solid link in someone's transportation chain ... bike or car
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Saw some pics today of the bike lanes on Atkinson, down towards Warren and Kinney. They look good (except for the lack of parking) and there is no need for metal skateboard railings or even curbs in my opinion. Used the ones on Government St and South Main yesterday; no curbs; they also work great; far more people using those than the other crazy route for the new ones.
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XT225 wrote: Sep 23rd, 2022, 6:03 pm Saw some pics today of the bike lanes on Atkinson, down towards Warren and Kinney. They look good (except for the lack of parking) and there is no need for metal skateboard railings or even curbs in my opinion. Used the ones on Government St and South Main yesterday; no curbs; they also work great; far more people using those than the other crazy route for the new ones.
So much expense that could have made such a difference to several thousand people. Instead we get US Department of Defense quality of assurance specifications that we all have to pay for and will be utilized by .0025% of the people that have to pay for it.
Does anyone care to dispute that in the next 5-8 years, there will be posts right here on Castanet complaining about the 10.5 million dollars that is being spent to remove the useless 8.5 million dollar lake to lake bike lane project built in 2022 because now with a majority of people using electric vehicles ....we need the bike lane footprint to install electric charging stations at a cost of 8.5 million?
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twobits wrote: Sep 25th, 2022, 5:27 pm
XT225 wrote: Sep 23rd, 2022, 6:03 pm Saw some pics today of the bike lanes on Atkinson, down towards Warren and Kinney. They look good (except for the lack of parking) and there is no need for metal skateboard railings or even curbs in my opinion. Used the ones on Government St and South Main yesterday; no curbs; they also work great; far more people using those than the other crazy route for the new ones.
So much expense that could have made such a difference to several thousand people. Instead we get US Department of Defense quality of assurance specifications that we all have to pay for and will be utilized by .0025% of the people that have to pay for it.
Does anyone care to dispute that in the next 5-8 years, there will be posts right here on Castanet complaining about the 10.5 million dollars that is being spent to remove the useless 8.5 million dollar lake to lake bike lane project built in 2022 because now with a majority of people using electric vehicles ....we need the bike lane footprint to install electric charging stations at a cost of 8.5 million?
What is the source of data for these conclusions? Or just conjecture?

EVs are not a solution to the ills we have ... they solve a single issue while just continuing to let us indulge in our first world entitlement .... while I look to enjoy an EV in the next 3-5 years it still won't alleviate congestion and it will still not give me the exercise my body needs ... which is all handled nicely with my bicycle ....
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twobits wrote: Sep 25th, 2022, 5:27 pm
XT225 wrote: Sep 23rd, 2022, 6:03 pm Saw some pics today of the bike lanes on Atkinson, down towards Warren and Kinney. They look good (except for the lack of parking) and there is no need for metal skateboard railings or even curbs in my opinion. Used the ones on Government St and South Main yesterday; no curbs; they also work great; far more people using those than the other crazy route for the new ones.
So much expense that could have made such a difference to several thousand people. Instead we get US Department of Defense quality of assurance specifications that we all have to pay for and will be utilized by .0025% of the people that have to pay for it.
Does anyone care to dispute that in the next 5-8 years, there will be posts right here on Castanet complaining about the 10.5 million dollars that is being spent to remove the useless 8.5 million dollar lake to lake bike lane project built in 2022 because now with a majority of people using electric vehicles ....we need the bike lane footprint to install electric charging stations at a cost of 8.5 million?
I see far less conjecture in your prediction than I saw in the conjecture this particular bike project would solve problems or provide a net-positive benefit for Penticton!
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Instead of the absurdly cluttered bike lanes the City installed, then could have come up with so many better options that would have offered cyclists better protection, less signage, much harder to damage.
https://kelowna10.com/watch-see-the-lat ... in-kelowna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rf5Fgc8y9k
https://www.google.com/search?q=best+bi ... 7&dpr=1.13 That simple search would have given them so many ideas that would have been simpler and more effective.

The City's intent is great, but the execution could have only have been done by inept bureaucrats supported by inept politicians hiring inept consultants.
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dreamon wrote: Sep 26th, 2022, 3:42 pm Instead of the absurdly cluttered bike lanes the City installed, then could have come up with so many better options that would have offered cyclists better protection, less signage, much harder to damage.
https://kelowna10.com/watch-see-the-lat ... in-kelowna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rf5Fgc8y9k
https://www.google.com/search?q=best+bi ... 7&dpr=1.13 That simple search would have given them so many ideas that would have been simpler and more effective.

The City's intent is great, but the execution could have only have been done by inept bureaucrats supported by inept politicians hiring inept consultants.
How is the first link different from this project? About the only thing is a concrete separator instead of the metal ....I'd agree that is more durable to the driving skills of people in cars ...

With regards to the second link, doing cycle tracks on both sides of the street would have removed more parking ... and on one-way streets the bi-directional lane makes it a bit more simple ...

Municipal governments have to deal with the infrastructure they have ... all of the examples shown in your last link are great examples of purpose-built protected infrastructure with the situation in mind ...
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Anyway you look at it, its a colossal waste of 10-15 million tax payer dollars. Dumbest shhh Ive ever seen. Almost as dumb as those who defend it.
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65deluxe wrote: Sep 26th, 2022, 6:49 pm Anyway you look at it, its a colossal waste of 10-15 million tax payer dollars. Dumbest shhh Ive ever seen. Almost as dumb as those who defend it.
Why do people need to inflate the numbers beyond what is published? Someone knows something the rest of us don't?
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65deluxe wrote: Sep 26th, 2022, 6:49 pm Anyway you look at it, its a colossal waste of 10-15 million tax payer dollars. Dumbest shhh Ive ever seen. Almost as dumb as those who defend it.
The figure you quote may not be totally accurate (but its likely darned close) and we all know how major projects ALWAYS go over budget and this one won't be any different. There are actually very few who live here, pay taxes here and are employed here who are defending the *&^%$#@ bike lanes. I'm hoping to learn more in the coming days about which folks who are running for council are against this project proceeding; if that becomes known they will be getting my X plus many other ones on the ballot next month.
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XT225 wrote: Sep 26th, 2022, 9:14 pm
65deluxe wrote: Sep 26th, 2022, 6:49 pm Anyway you look at it, its a colossal waste of 10-15 million tax payer dollars. Dumbest shhh Ive ever seen. Almost as dumb as those who defend it.
The figure you quote may not be totally accurate (but its likely darned close) and we all know how major projects ALWAYS go over budget and this one won't be any different. There are actually very few who live here, pay taxes here and are employed here who are defending the *&^%$#@ bike lanes. I'm hoping to learn more in the coming days about which folks who are running for council are against this project proceeding; if that becomes known they will be getting my X plus many other ones on the ballot next month.
Yes, questioning the "facts" put forward by some is "defending" the bike lane ...
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spooker wrote: Sep 26th, 2022, 7:53 pm
65deluxe wrote: Sep 26th, 2022, 6:49 pm Anyway you look at it, its a colossal waste of 10-15 million tax payer dollars. Dumbest shhh Ive ever seen. Almost as dumb as those who defend it.
Why do people need to inflate the numbers beyond what is published? Someone knows something the rest of us don't?
Inflated? The last number I was told was 13 million. And this comes from a city employee.

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