Worker not feeling safe

[Ruth S]

This is in regards to the person working on the hospital in Penticton. It has been stated, by the minister of health, that anyone who doesn't feel safe at their job will be supported by the employment program during this pandemic. He should go on line or call in to confirm.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... al-worried

[common_sense_guy]

This is in regards to the person who wrote the story. Maybe you shouldn't have a whole big story dedicated on your website based on one persons point of view. It feels more like you're printing a he-said-she-said but with only one side. If there were a group of workers complaining about that then the story has a little more credibility. But find me one area of work where you won't find at least one disgruntled worker that would love to Spin A Yarn to tell how bad conditions are when in fact they may not be. Granted they may be but my point just don't write a whole story based on one persons take unless you can include important facts in the story such as how many people really are on the work site that he feels unsafe at. 2 people ,10 people ,15 people.etc. I would think information like that would better complete the story so readers are not just fed one possibly skewed person's view of things during a time when there's already plenty of unjust panic any irrational thought.ie. toilet paper and people cleaning out Whole Food sections in a panicked Frenzy. A little more complete journalism would be nice Castanet. Please and thank you.. almost every story I read of yours I can think of five things that the reporter should be asking or putting in the story.


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[twobits]

This is in regards to the person who wrote the story. Maybe you shouldn't have a whole big story dedicated on your website based on one persons point of view. It feels more like you're printing a he-said-she-said but with only one side. If there were a group of workers complaining about that then the story has a little more credibility. But find me one area of work where you won't find at least one disgruntled worker that would love to Spin A Yarn to tell how bad conditions are when in fact they may not be. Granted they may be but my point just don't write a whole story based on one persons take unless you can include important facts in the story such as how many people really are on the work site that he feels unsafe at. 2 people ,10 people ,15 people.etc. I would think information like that would better complete the story so readers are not just fed one possibly skewed person's view of things during a time when there's already plenty of unjust panic any irrational thought.ie. toilet paper and people cleaning out Whole Food sections in a panicked Frenzy. A little more complete journalism would be nice Castanet. Please and thank you.. almost every story I read of yours I can think of five things that the reporter should be asking or putting in the story.


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I read the story and first thought was "quit whining" about your situation cuz at least you have the option to work.....and at a very good wage.....unlike many others.
And if knowing construction workers like I do.....this guy would be called out as a *bleep*, told to shut Up suckit up and do your job without drama.
This virus is real to be sure. It does not however require Henny Penny's alarming the public. I doubt this guy washes his hands after a poop and he never once thought of the contamination that might follow from that poor choice.

[Clipper]

He has a choice.
Today, all major construction contractors have an extensive Health & Safety program put together by experts in many fields including Health Sciences people.
Programs are custom tailored to the particular industry; above and beyond standard requirements; and may also involve trade unions at times.
Safety managers confer with other professionals about issues that may affect their work site, especially issues like this virus and getting buy in from some project managers, superintendents, etc. isn't easy some time. Some need to be reminded that safety is more important than the Friday concrete pour.
If this fellow has concerns there are specific avenues to take and he knows them. Primarily he has the right to refuse unsafe work. But he better be right and be able to verify the claim because no Safety Professional or Superintendent is knowingly going to put a worker at risk.

[soupy]

He has a choice.
Today, all major construction contractors have an extensive Health & Safety program put together by experts in many fields including Health Sciences people.
Programs are custom tailored to the particular industry; above and beyond standard requirements; and may also involve trade unions at times.
Safety managers confer with other professionals about issues that may affect their work site, especially issues like this virus and getting buy in from some project managers, superintendents, etc. isn't easy some time. Some need to be reminded that safety is more important than the Friday concrete pour.
If this fellow has concerns there are specific avenues to take and he knows them. Primarily he has the right to refuse unsafe work. But he better be right and be able to verify the claim because no Safety Professional or Superintendent is knowingly going to put a worker at risk.

LOL. This definitely is not true. (I really wish it was).

But first hand experience by many shows that unfortunately dollars and schedules take precedence over safety.

PS. Having a safety program, and implementing and following a program and 2 different things. All the words in the safety program binder may look great, but if there is no training, education, follow up and accountability it means ZILCH.

**Times are getting better, but we are far from being good

[twobits]

Fact.......this virus is real and is going to affect every industry from retail to mining.
Fact.......every left oriented wingnut is going to look to take advantage of this situation to get as much free money as they can before the Trudeau tap is shut off for the Soupy's of our population that think dependance on the State is a god given right once they are born.

[madmudder]

Every right oriented business owner is going to take advantage of the free 10,000.00 dollar loans program whether yhey need it or not.

[fluffy]

Fact.......every left oriented wingnut is going to look to take advantage of this situation to get as much free money as they can before the Trudeau tap is shut off for the Soupy's of our population that think dependance on the State is a god given right once they are born.

That’s half a fact at best. Greed knows no party affiliation. At least until you start to look at all the evidence that points towards how that the richer one becomes, the more likely they are to hold conservative values.

Situations like this point out the chasm between what should be and what is. Sure, occupational health and safety laws give workers the right to refuse unsafe work, and right now it’s arguable that just being out in public can be considered unsafe. The worker has to be able to present a reasonable argument in favour of his position, just as the employer is bound to take every reasonable step to ensure the safety of his employees. As it should be. But...if the worker’s argument is sound and he refuses the work even though his employer would rather he didn’t, what’s the chance that the worker is going to be treated differently down the road? We do after all, live in the real world and not some rosy land of what should be.

[twobits]

Fluff.....read your post and I am sure Trudeau wrote it for you. Short on new information and long on rote talking points that soothe the masses.
I have heard plenty enough examples of people refusing to work because for the next few months at least.....the pay is as good or better to not go to work.
The left will quickly point out that this is the objective.....stay home. My opinion is that there is currently 35% abuse of the funding being offered by those who can work safely but would just as soon take advantage of the gravy.

[Symbonite]

But you better be careful to use CERB because they could deem that you were in fact not eligible because you refused work and voila. you now owe government 2000 a month that you got plus interest. and trust me. They take forever to give but want it now when the want to collect.

[twobits]

But you better be careful to use CERB because they could deem that you were in fact not eligible because you refused work and voila. you now owe government 2000 a month that you got plus interest. and trust me. They take forever to give but want it now when the want to collect.

Yup, that is called clawback when you file income tax. Trudeau however will probably forgive the misunderstanding that there were conditions to receiving the funds and announce another 10 billion in debt to cover that misunderstanding. It is after all just money and we can just cover by printing money or take on debt that cannot ever be repaid. The only way out for governments to escape this debt is for the economy to grow so much that it lowers the debt to income ratio. Much like a household would grow out of the burden of their mortgage of 25 yrs relative to their increased earnings.
That growth is going to be seriously lacking for a long time and our children re going to pay the price with this drunken sailor rescue mission. Some chit just fails and it should if it cannot stand a revenue reduction of 90 days.

[twobits]

That’s half a fact at best. Greed knows no party affiliation. At least until you start to look at all the evidence that points towards how that the richer one becomes, the more likely they are to hold conservative values.

The other half of the fact is that there is large proportion of the population that live as large as the last paycheque allows. Big trucks, cpl of sun vacations every year, party favours or alcohol that become needs over everything else. And then.....when income is temporarily curtailed, past behaviour is suddenly forgotten and they become left wing socialists looking for a gov't cheque because they are now poor, but enlightened and deserving.
So the corollary to your statement would be........when you start to look at all the evidence that points towards how the party now pay later crowd find themselves buried in debt that causes a collapse of the household budget in three fricken weeks, the more likely they are to hold left wing socialism ideals.
That would be the choir the likes of Bernie Sanders sings to. Not me. Not any thinking person should.

[fluffy]

Back to the original topic, what has gone on at the site in question since the story broke almost two moths ago? Did "Andrew" take some CERB funded time off? Has anyone on the crew become ill or did anyone else take time off? It would be interesting to have some facts.

[twobits]

Back to the original topic, what has gone on at the site in question since the story broke almost two moths ago? Did "Andrew" take some CERB funded time off? Has anyone on the crew become ill or did anyone else take time off? It would be interesting to have some facts.

Pretty sure we were still on topic Fluff. It has been duly reported in numerous news reports that many are now getting more money to be out of work than to work.
What do you expect "andrew" to say when he could join those ranks instead of actually working? As well, it was disclosed today that there are ZERO cov19 active cases in the Penticton community. I realize this info was after your post but what we need now more than ever is to disseminate not only fact from fiction news, but also recognize those trying to milk a support system just cuz they can without regard for the generational debt they are unwittingly passing on to their very own descendants need to be called out rather than supported.