Denying the obvious

[maryjane48]

just say no to corruption and influence peddling . vote clark out

[ferri]

[Veovis]

just say no to corruption and influence peddling . vote clark out

That won't work as the general public doesn't view the NDP as any less corrupt. They need to put out a better fiscal outlook, with controlled spending and beat the Liberals there and then they can dominate with the additional "no corruption"

Otherwise it's just another "we're not them" campaign and it will fail....again.

[maryjane48]

l but the ndp havnt been in power last 16 years . we can go back to 1600s if you want

[lasnomadas]

I believe the topic is 'Denying the obvious', and it's obvious to me that there are at least four or five BC Liberal digital influencers on this thread. And I also believe that Urbane has misunderstood what I wrote about a bypass route. There would have been no need for a second bridge if the government had heeded the advice that they must have received long before I brought it up.

Please tell me, Urbane, where you found that 96% figure. It couldn't have been a reputable source.

[maryjane48]

I believe the topic is 'Denying the obvious', and it's obvious to me that there are at least four or five BC Liberal digital influencers on this thread. And I also believe that Urbane has misunderstood what I wrote about a bypass route. There would have been no need for a second bridge if the government had heeded the advice that they must have received long before I brought it up.

Please tell me, Urbane, where you found that 96% figure. It couldn't have been a reputable source.

they should have put skytrain down middle of freeway from atleast abbotsford to surrey but thats denying the right i front of your face type of thang .

[Veovis]

I believe the topic is 'Denying the obvious', and it's obvious to me that there are at least four or five BC Liberal digital influencers on this thread. And I also believe that Urbane has misunderstood what I wrote about a bypass route. There would have been no need for a second bridge if the government had heeded the advice that they must have received long before I brought it up.

Please tell me, Urbane, where you found that 96% figure. It couldn't have been a reputable source.

Yes it is about denying the obvious. Thinking the NDP will win by using the currently proven failed policies of the Federal NDP is completely denying the obvious. Since it likely needs to be spelled out, the obvious part is that failed policies = failed elections = they won't win.

[maryjane48]

all that points out is some folks support corruption over anything else . thats something bc should be ashamed of .

[lasnomadas]

*removed*

[Veovis]

all that ooints out is some folks support corruption over anything else . thats something bc should be ashamed of .

DO a poll and ask people if they think all politicians are corrupt? Bet you get a very high yes result.

Your support of the NDP being corrupt is ok by you but Liberal corruption is bad. This is why the NDP appear distasteful. Their supporters, or as lasnomadas new fun term "the NDP digital influencers" support that corruption.

Others here regular state they hate all corruption and are glad when people are caught and punished.

IT's also brutally obvious that some people like yourself are fine with corruption based on the color of a shirt they wear, and that as a platform is a failure, that is obvious yet you endlessly deny those facts.

All corruption is bad, and "i'm less corrupt" isn't a campaign platform.

[Rwede]

l but the ndp havnt been in power last 16 years . we can go back to 1600s if you want

It would be nice if the NDP hadn't won since the 1600s.

BC might have been able to clean up the mess they left in 400 years. Note I said "might," nothing is guaranteed when you start that far in the hole.

Denying the obvious:


Real Per Capita GDP Growth 1992 - 2000

Nfld: 33.6%
SK: 27.3%
AB: 27%
ON: 24.2%
PQ: 22.3%
NB: 21.6%

PEI: 18.6%
MB: 17.5%
NS: 16.2%

BC: 5.3%


Source: Statistics Canada, Provincial Economic Accounts

[flamingfingers]

^^^ But surely you can accept the credibility of the Business Council of BC:

WHERE LEADERS MEET TO UNLOCK BC'S FULL POTENTIAL

Mission

The Business Council of British Columbia aims to produce timely and exceptional public-policy research and advice on issues to enhance BC’s competitiveness and prosperity. As a collaborative, non-partisan organization, the Council strives to be a venue where members, policy experts, elected officials and government decision makers can address problems and form solutions together.

The Council works collaboratively with a committed membership that includes BC’s top employers to ensure that its work is credible, timely and relevant. Through diligent, evidence-based research and interactive input from members and policy leaders, the Council provides informed, pertinent insight and advice to BC’s top decision makers, with the objective to create a prosperous and sustainable economy for all British Columbians.

And in their research, they have concluded:

A Decade by Decade Review of British Columbia's Economic Performance

Posted Nov 5, 2012
By historical accident, the last two new governments to take power in British Columbia did so at the start of new decades: the NDP in 1991, and the Liberals in 2001. Not surprisingly, it’s become popular to argue that one party’s ability to manage the economy was shown to be better than another’s, based on which decade apparently produced the best overall economic outcomes.

This exercise can sometimes cause confusion. For one thing – as we all know – statistics can tell quite different stories, depending on which data are used and how they’re presented. While focusing on top-line GDP growth is inadequate as a way to gauge macro-economic performance, there are a few simple steps that can allow us to get a clearer picture of how BC’s economy has fared over time.

The Business Council of British Columbia has prepared an analysis of key economic indicators in British Columbia over the 1980’s, 1990’s and 2000’s to provide more data and gain greater insights into longer-term trends. Also, and of particular importance, we examine per-capita measures of economic activity, which take account of changes in population. Lastly, in this report we compare BC’s economic record to that of Canada as a whole. Because world economic conditions tend to affect BC and Canada similarly, determining how BC did relative to the rest of the country can provide a better sense of the extent to which the province capitalized on the global economic conditions of the day.

We find that, in broad terms, the 2000s produced somewhat better economic results than the two earlier decades, although not on all of the measures considered. That said, even by the end of the 2000s BC still had a less productive economy than the country, based on comparing the level of output or real GDP per person.

GDP Growth: The strongest growth in total real gross domestic product was in the 1990s,

Unemployment: On average, the unemployment rate in BC fell over the three decades examined in the study. Unemployment averaged 11.48% in the 1980s, 8.87% in the 1990s and 6.63% in the 2000s.

Job Creation: The 1980s saw the number of jobs in BC rise on average by 1.91% per year. In the 1990s, job growth increased to 2.17% per year. Over the 2000s, it averaged 1.58% per year.

Business Investment: Private sector non-residential investment climbed by 0.81% per year in the 1980s, by 3% in the 1990s, and then by 5.33% in the 2000s.

Fiscal Management: Measured as a share of GDP, the province posted small operating budget deficits (on average, equal to 0.8% of GDP) in the 1980s and 1990s. From 2001 to 2010, the operating budget moved to a small surplus (on average, equal to +0.35% of GDP). At the same time, the provincial government's debt fell slightly as a share of GDP over the three decades - going from 27.2% of GDP in the 1980s to 26.85% in the 1990s and 22.20% in the 2000s (again, on an average annual basis).

Exports: Remarkably, BC's exports of goods and services to other countries and other provinces combined, remained essentially unchanged, at 42-43% of GDP over the three decades. Export growth was strongest in the 1990s and weakest in the 2000s. BC has generally underperformed Canada in export growth over the past 20 years.

http://www.bcbc.com/publications/2012/a ... erformance

So this kinda puts a lie to the claim of the 90s being a 'decade of doom and gloom', eh?

[The Green Barbarian]

So this kinda puts a lie to the claim of the 90s being a 'decade of doom and gloom', eh?

No, not really. It was a lost decade for BC. The NDP was awful. Which is why they lost the election 77-2. It should have been 79-0.

[flamingfingers]

I prefer a rational and fact-based opinion from the Business Council of BC rather than an emotional outburst of partisan rhetoric.

[Rwede]

I found some data courtesy of our old Casta-friend, Al Czervic.

Saves me doing the digging.

Denying the obvious...


Just because I keep a copy of all of the old tax tables in my study I decided to do a quick look up from 1999. Here were the Provincial income tax rates back in those days (they were expressed as a % of the Federal tax rate)…..

Ontario 39.5%

Alberta 44%

Northwest Territories 45%

Saskatchewan 48%

Manitoba 48.5%

British Columbia 49.5%

Yukon 50%


Edited to add. Just for fun I looked at B.C.'s 2010 personal income tax rate for "ordinary families" (as the NDP like to call everyone) and today the B.C. personal income tax rate is basically 33% of the Base Federal Rate.