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I never said that people weren't happy with the Bennett bridge; I'm just saying that it was built in the wrong place. One doesn't have to be an engineer to be aware of that.

B.C.'s economy will likely improve once the BC Liberals and their sleazy ways of scratching the backs of their biggest donors is replaced with a government of the people, by the people and FOR the people.

When you speak of a 'free enterprise government', I immediately think of Ronald Reagan's Republicans, and we know how that turned out, don't we?
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It would be most interesting to factor in the liabilities of the partnership agreements that the liberals have obligated the people of BC to for years into an equation that more truthfully indicates how are province is doing. The bridge has been mentioned and is an example of that kind of agreement where we as a province are beholden to Lavelin for a very long time, I think that the hospital was a partnership as well though I am not 100% certain.
Anyhow, like I have stated before, I think a close race would be good for BC in that it would probably kick Ms. Clark back to broadcasting and clear the road for a higher form of intelligence. You can decide what that might be in your own mind.
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lasnomadas wrote:I never said that people weren't happy with the Bennett bridge; I'm just saying that it was built in the wrong place. One doesn't have to be an engineer to be aware of that.

B.C.'s economy will likely improve once the BC Liberals and their sleazy ways of scratching the backs of their biggest donors is replaced with a government of the people, by the people and FOR the people.

When you speak of a 'free enterprise government', I immediately think of Ronald Reagan's Republicans, and we know how that turned out, don't we?

how did it turn out, and what has regan got to do with us? :biggrin:
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The obvious fact to me is that the BC NDP do not have a cohesive plan, and their past performance showed not only just as much or more sleazy nonsense or more, and an inability to have a cohesive plan.

That doesn't mean I don't have criticisms of the BC Liberals. But what they have shown is that in most cases, when they plan to do something (whether I agree with it or not) they get it done.

Additionally, every time the NDP seemed to have a plan that I could vote for, they went all goofy immediately thereafter and threw it out the window. The record on leadership shows that. Dave Barrett got sabotaged by the radicals in his party and lost power. Mike Harcourt presented a good plan, and soon after winning the election got back stabbed by the Dixheads. Carole James returned the party to a credible position and just when it looked like the NDP had a chance, the Dixheads back stabbed her and shifted positions.

So even if Horgan came out with a reasonable plan that I could vote for, it is obvious that the Dixheads would just back stab him and shift positions immediately after gaining power. In other words, the BC NDP has zero credibility in terms of something to vote FOR.

The Socreds were in a similar credibility position after the Zalm and crew, and just died. Yes, in many ways the BC Liberals are a reincarnated Socred party. But they have something that the BC NDP can not regain - credibility.

The BC NDP obviously needs to die so that there is room in the political spectrum for other more credible parties. That would be the BC Liberals worst nightmare.
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^^

Yes, in many ways the BC Liberals are a reincarnated Socred party. But they have something that the BC NDP can not regain - credibility.


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^^ Laugh as you will but any party that has won four straight elections has credibility. You are truly denying the obvious.

The entire strategy of the NDP, and some posters on here, seems to be a full on negative campaign against the Liberals (fair enough - that's their right). They seem to think that if they push their own policies they'll go down to defeat again. And they might be right.

Much of the negative rhetoric is accurate but we also need to put things into perspective. If you believe some of the posters on here the Liberals are all a bunch of crooks who aren't interested in doing good things at all. They engage in crime, corruption, and even murder. Time to pull back the extreme over-the-top rhetoric a bit and put things into perspective, don't you think?
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^^Any of the 'good things' that they have done have benefited themselves - and their corporate masters!!
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    flamingfingers wrote:^^Any of the 'good things' that they have done have benefited themselves - and their corporate masters!!
UBCO, UNBC, two new medical schools, the WR Bennett Bridge, the new cardiac department at KGH, upgrades to other hospitals like Vernon's Royal Jubilee, various highway improvements etc etc etc are appreciated by many people. As to corporations, I've never viewed them as evil entities. I see them as an important segment of our economy. We've heard before from those on the far left on here that corporations should be taxed at a much higher rate. Some of us have responded that they would leave the province and the answer we get back is something like good riddance. Some people just don't understand what makes an economy work.
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Just a quick reply to all before I have to leave for the afternoon. @alfred2: The US Republican Party has a lot in common with the BC Liberal Party, in case you haven't noticed. @Urbane: I've never said 'good riddance' to corporations. However, I have said that if we increase their taxes to a reasonable rate, they won't be going anywhere because everywhere else has higher corporate taxes than B.C. And the term 'credible BC Liberals' is an oxymoron. Also, I repeat, you continue to misunderstand what I said about the Bennett bridge. It's there, it's necessary, but the one they're touting now isn't necessary. Kelowna must be bypassed, but not with another super-expensive bridge and the infrastructure that goes with it. Do the improvements to Westside road that were promised 4 years ago. @hobbyguy: We have credible political parties in B.C. now. It's only the BC Liberal party that isn't credible. Have you not been reading the news?
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lasnomadas wrote: Do the improvements to Westside road that were promised 4 years ago.


They have been, but you'd have to leave your computer, and actually go out and about to see them.

It's actually practically pathetic, that you keep whining about something that has and is being done. Talk about denying the obvious.

If you want to zero in on empty promises, you'd best refocus your efforts on the color orange.
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lasnomadas wrote:
When you speak of a 'free enterprise government', I immediately think of Ronald Reagan's Republicans, and we know how that turned out, don't we?


It turned out great! Why are you even asking this?
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lasnomadas wrote:However, I have said that if we increase their taxes to a reasonable rate,


it always scares me when leftists talk about "reasonable rates", as they don't understand even basic taxation or economic theory, and thus think that corporate taxes can go up to whatever rate and it won't effect the economy. Just stick to what you know Leftists, which is....well it's not taxation policy, that's for sure.
There's no such thing as gay rights, minority rights, trans rights or women's rights.

There are only individual rights. Either we all have the same rights, or we're just groups of special interests fighting for preferential treatment.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Just stick to what you know Leftists, which is....


How to maximize milking the system, and make the little people believe it's in their best interests.
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More sleaze from the NDP:

A spokeswoman at B.C.'s Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner confirmed Friday it received a request for an investigation from the B.C. Liberals, but Privacy Commissioner Drew McArthur was not immediately available for comment. The complaint comes just days before a provincial election will be called.

A letter to McArthur signed by B.C. Liberal Party president Sharon White called for an immediate investigation into alleged breaches of B.C.'s Personal Information Protection Act by the NDP.

"We have obtained documentation concerning the activities of the B.C. NDP, Strategic Communications, the municipal political parties, Vision Vancouver, Coalition of Progressive Electors and the Surrey Civic Coalition, and B.C. NDP officials in Saanich, B.C., which show serious and ongoing breaches of the Personal Information Protection Act."
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The Green Barbarian wrote:
lasnomadas wrote:However, I have said that if we increase their taxes to a reasonable rate,


it always scares me when leftists talk about "reasonable rates", as they don't understand even basic taxation or economic theory, and thus think that corporate taxes can go up to whatever rate and it won't effect the economy. Just stick to what you know Leftists, which is....well it's not taxation policy, that's for sure.


The leftists think this is what taxation is.


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