The direct result of the NDP's $15 minimum wage proposal

[The Green Barbarian]

The NDP plan has been costed.
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It's actually been weighed and measured, and found wanting.

[JollyGreenBully]

Exactly, JGB (my bold). It's just plain silly to suggest 80-90% of people in retail are stuck at minimum wage, when you are well aware everyone can move up from there.

Not what I said at all. I said that you using an example of one person achieving something (regardless of a mental disability) doesn't mean that everyone in the world can achieve the same thing. It's an inane argument. It's like saying, "well that guy over there is a professional athlete therefore everyone can be one."

Try talking to people who work in retail stores sometime. They make make minimum wage unless they're managers or supervisors of some kind.

[The Green Barbarian]

Try talking to people who work in retail stores sometime..

I talk to my nephew all the time. He's happy to have a job and an employer who will work with the hours he has available. He understands that his worth to Rona right now isn't what it will be when he gains experience and knowledge. I get the whole "poor me" thing you are trying to peddle here, but really, it's not going to garner much sympathy. Jacking wages way up because a few people you claim to know are stuck perpetually earning minimum wage isn't enough to cause mass unemployment. The law of unintended consequences, something the NDP just never understands.

[krocky]

Interesting how it's the same group of Christy Clark BC Liberal Lap Dogs that defend keeping people in poverty while giving Corporations MILLIONS in hand outs and blame the NDP for their selfishness..

Basic economics says if you put more money in the hands of the people who consume products and spend it (that's why they are called consumers) that will stimulate the economy. If you put more money in the hands of the people who hoard it away for themselves like Corporations the opposite will happen.

I defy anyone on here who actually has a job and isn't just sitting in a basement somewhere eating cheerios to ask their bosses what they would do if the government handed them a bunch of new cash and see what their responses are. Let's see how many would run out and hire new employees that they don't need because CC says they would in her Tax Payer funded ad campaigns.

Sorry folks but past performance is the best indicator of future performance so a few would hire new staff but only if they already needed them, a few would use it to expand but again only if it was already needed but the vast majority would put it straight into their bank accounts and that is a "proven" fact.

The fact is that rising costs of EVERYTHING is fast outpacing wage increases and something has to change and the only thing we know for sure is it won't change under our current Liberal dictatorship.

[rustled]

Exactly, JGB (my bold). It's just plain silly to suggest 80-90% of people in retail are stuck at minimum wage, when you are well aware everyone can move up from there.

Not what I said at all. I said that you using an example of one person achieving something (regardless of a mental disability) doesn't mean that everyone in the world can achieve the same thing. It's an inane argument. It's like saying, "well that guy over there is a professional athlete therefore everyone can be one."

Try talking to people who work in retail stores sometime. They make make minimum wage unless they're managers or supervisors of some kind.

It doesn't wash, JGB. You can either post that I'm "selling my disabled family member short", or you can acknowledge that people are capable of working their way up from minimum wage. Your comparison to professional athletes is gross hyperbole. Anyone can work their way to better fitness. Anyone can work their way up from minimum wage.

My sister works in retail. She hasn't made minimum for years. Are you seriously suggesting she's an anomaly?

And you've completely sidestepped any consideration for what happens to people like her if minimum wage skyrockets. WADR, I find your focus in this matter terribly inconsiderate and unkind. You're prepared to ignore the logical outcome of your crusade for people like my sister, because the issue is more important than the people.

Idealism must be tempered with pragmatism. There's no point putting policies in place that cause harm.

[JollyGreenBully]

Interesting how it's the same group of Christy Clark BC Liberal Lap Dogs that defend keeping people in poverty while giving Corporations MILLIONS in hand outs and blame the NDP for their selfishness..

Remember when that lady started crying in an interview with Trudeau and stated she was living in poverty despite earning 50k a year? The same people saying it's OK for BC residents to earn minimum wage created thread after thread about how this poor woman was barely able to survive and had such a hard life and so on.

[The Green Barbarian]

Interesting how it's the same group of Christy Clark BC Liberal Lap Dogs that defend keeping people in poverty .

I still don't even know what this means. "Keeping people in poverty". Why are these people "in poverty"? Why would they depend on anybody, especially government, to "get them out of poverty"? Why can't they help themselves? What is preventing that? What is "poverty"? I don't understand that one either, as per some peoples' definitions, I grew up in poverty too, and yet was just fine, as apparently I didn't have an angry leftist screaming at me that I was supposed to be miserable and blame people for where I was in life.

[The Green Barbarian]

Remember when that lady started crying in an interview with Trudeau and stated she was living in poverty despite earning 50k a year? .

She actually didn't say that. She had too much pride to pull the "p" word out. What a prime example though of leftist ignorance. The issue wasn't that her employer should pay her more, the issue was idiotic leftist energy policies. Instead of always looking to increase the revenue side, look at cutting the expense side. And in this case, the expense was high energy costs due to stupid Ontario Liberal policies regarding high energy choices like solar and wind. Just the dumbest possible energy policy in Canada, and possibly all of North America. Yet another example of why you never give the keys to the kingdom to leftists.

[JollyGreenBully]

Anyone can work their way up from minimum wage.

Except they can't. You and your family members aren't the only people who exist in the world which is exactly why I asked for opinions from people earning minimum wage right now as adults. The same regulars post in every topic so it's difficult to get varied answers and opinions. It's just the same people bashing leftists and saying the sky is the limit with wages if one works hard enough.

[The Green Barbarian]

Except they can't..

Except that they can.

[JollyGreenBully]

She actually didn't say that. She had too much pride to pull the "p" word out. What a prime example though of leftist ignorance. The issue wasn't that her employer should pay her more, the issue was idiotic leftist energy policies. Instead of always looking to increase the revenue side, look at cutting the expense side. And in this case, the expense was high energy costs due to stupid Ontario Liberal policies regarding high energy choices like solar and wind. Just the dumbest possible energy policy in Canada, and possibly all of North America. Yet another example of why you never give the keys to the kingdom to leftists.

I'm not getting into another discussion where all you're going to do is call people you don't like leftist losers. I added my perspective politely.

[The Green Barbarian]

I'm not getting into another discussion where all you're going to do is call people you don't like leftist losers. I added my perspective politely.

Ha ha of course, you can't acknowledge when caught out again, so you just post this nonsense instead. What you should say is "oh yeah you're right on that one" and move on. You were dead wrong about that woman "living in poverty". She was no where near poverty until the horrible Wynne Liberals got control of the energy policies of Ontario, and made insanely stupid decisions. Her plight had nothing to do with earning minimum wage, and everything to do with artificially inflated energy costs created by brainless leftists.

[krocky]

Try talking to people who work in retail stores sometime..

I talk to my nephew all the time. He's happy to have a job and an employer who will work with the hours he has available. He understands that his worth to Rona right now isn't what it will be when he gains experience and knowledge. I get the whole "poor me" thing you are trying to peddle here, but really, it's not going to garner much sympathy. Jacking wages way up because a few people you claim to know are stuck perpetually earning minimum wage isn't enough to cause mass unemployment. The law of unintended consequences, something the NDP just never understands.

Oh yes, Rona only makes tens of millions in profits so I understand them paying minimum wage. Maybe that's why their selling out to Lowes, they heard an increase to minimum wage might be coming and they would be going bankrupt like all the restaurants so they got out ahead of time. ONLY a BCLLD could believe such nonsense.

If you think condoning poverty in support of corporate greed is how it should be, you might be a Liberal..

[The Green Barbarian]

Oh yes, Rona only makes tens of millions in profits so I understand them paying minimum wage.

Or maybe that's what people starting out at Rona are worth. My nephew definitely is. Paying him more than minimum wage at this point would just be stupid. He has to learn the ropes first. As does everyone else who starts a job like that without any experience or knowledge.

If you think condoning poverty in support of corporate greed is how it should be, you might be a Liberal..

if you can use phrases like "condoning poverty" and "corporate greed" in the same sentence, you are a communist.

[rustled]

Anyone can work their way up from minimum wage.

Except they can't. You and your family members aren't the only people who exist in the world which is exactly why I asked for opinions from people earning minimum wage right now as adults. The same regulars post in every topic so it's difficult to get varied answers and opinions. It's just the same people bashing leftists and saying the sky is the limit with wages if one works hard enough.

It seems to me you're selling people short.

No one among my family, extended family, or immediate circle of friends has earned minimum wage as an adult. (Other than my sister who started there but has been given respectful raises by her employer, a large corporation with more human decency than some of the posters here.) Some of us didn't finish high school, most of us have no post-secondary. I'm counting at ages from verging on retirement to teens. Even the teens are earning more than minimum wage.

Surely to goodness we're not an anomaly.

That's why I very much doubt there are a lot of people who cannot find a way to earn beyond minimum wage. What is stopping these people from finding the kind of work my sister does?

And you're still not addressing the consequences of this policy for a huge number of people.