The direct result of the NDP's $15 minimum wage proposal

[Mr_Mrs_Wolf]

That is how caparilisim is to work, no? If you are not able to survive your business will go under. Especially resturaunts. Very precarious businesses. Unless of course you are a friend of the government and has donated many a thousands of dollars to them to ensure you can get bailed out on the back of the workers and tax payers. Considering the source it maybe what's being suggested and that's not a stretch.

[alfred2]

for those who want to vote ndp because of min. wage ,increase and day care , have you wondered how all that worked for russia.

[JollyGreenBully]

Typical deflection. Instead of answering the question, just respond with nonsense. What else is new. We all know what's going to happen, the ripple effect as people up the chain demand raises as well, and business bankruptcies as labour costs sky-rocket.

How exactly am I deflecting by quoting people? You're the one who brought up drones delivering pizza and Rwede was the one who said restaurants simply can't afford to pay $15 and they're going to close. If you want to call what you said nonsense that's fine, but don't drag me into it.

Minimum wage has been raised many times already in BC over the past few years. Businesses survived. Doomsday isn't coming.

[Jonrox]

That is how caparilisim is to work, no? If you are not able to survive your business will go under. Especially resturaunts. Very precarious businesses. Unless of course you are a friend of the government and has donated many a thousands of dollars to them to ensure you can get bailed out on the back of the workers and tax payers. Considering the source it maybe what's being suggested and that's not a stretch.

You summed it up perfectly... restaurants are precarious businesses, so large increases to their labour costs are especially hard to handle. A big raise in minimum wage could spell a lot of trouble for them given your spot on description.

[Hassel99]

That is how caparilisim is to work, no? If you are not able to survive your business will go under. Especially resturaunts. Very precarious businesses. Unless of course you are a friend of the government and has donated many a thousands of dollars to them to ensure you can get bailed out on the back of the workers and tax payers. Considering the source it maybe what's being suggested and that's not a stretch.

No its not how capitalism works.

Government intervention on pricing (be it labour or goods) is the opposite of capitalism.


if the market dictated the price of labour was $15 due to the intersection of the supply and demand curves, and this drove the restaurant out of business, that would be capitalism.

But that's not what happened, there was no supply and demand curve that dictated the price of labour. What happened was a politician did it with the stroke of the pen.

[Jonrox]

Gullible idiots get "bought" by proposals like this because they simply don't understand the broader implications.

[Rwede]

That is how caparilisim is to work, no?

I think you were trying to say "capitalism," if I'm reading that correctly.

You may, as an NDP voter, be confusing "capitalism" with "Das Kapital," as government-mandated costs are the opposite of "capitalism" but are synonymous with the NDP's "Das Kapital," known more affectionately as "Horgan's Leap Manifesto."

[Urban Cowboy]

That is how caparilisim is to work, no? If you are not able to survive your business will go under. Especially resturaunts. Very precarious businesses. Unless of course you are a friend of the government and has donated many a thousands of dollars to them to ensure you can get bailed out on the back of the workers and tax payers. Considering the source it maybe what's being suggested and that's not a stretch.

You mean like the auto workers union members whose employers we had to bail out after the crash? Like that?

I'm glad you brought that up, because as far as I'm concerned, governments job is to govern, and if a business, particularly one like GM and Chrysler, is too dumb to plan for a bump in the road, then they should be forced to sink or swim just as any other business.

It's not right that government gets to pick and choose who is eligible for a handout.

I don't recall getting any cheques in the mail, from GM or Chrysler when they were riding high, and giving themselves bonuses, so why the h e double hockey sticks should I help bail them out?

[What_the]

At what point does being a "leftist", only meaning caring about our neighbours quality of life, supersede intelligence and business.

I'm willing to bet that neither the two "right wing" contributors know the actual percentages of a franchise restaurant that they are both presenting as the "model" for why a living wage is economically unfeasible. A nondescript "CEO" quoted as the reason why and therefore basis for the qualification for their argument is IMO completely wrong and an example of theory v. reality.

A,.... single... restaurant, unknown whether the operator is a rookie, used as an example for macro economic policies is as fallacious as condemning "left" ideas as ignorant.

Telling, from what my experience with corporate restaurants and business ownership has shown me.

Sling vitriol and diatribe, sure, I'll come the plate. Do I know all? No. I don't.

What i do know, if $15 is the playing field, then every restaurant will be increasing prices accordingly and therefore competitiveness will also be leveled.

[Gone_Fishin]

What i do know, if $15 is the playing field, then every restaurant will be increasing prices accordingly and therefore competitiveness will also be leveled.

Good to see there's at least one left winger who understands that the cost of everything will go up with an increase in minimum wage. My prediction is that the cost of everything will go up just enough to nullify the amount of the minimum wage earner's raise to $15. And that prediction is bang on, because there's only one consumer, and he has to pay what it costs to make that burger/pizza/coffee/apple.

[Drip_Torch]

Good to see there's at least one left winger who understands that the cost of everything will go up with an increase in minimum wage. My prediction is that the cost of everything will go up just enough to nullify the amount of the minimum wage earner's raise to $15. And that prediction is bang on, because there's only one consumer, and he has to pay what it costs to make that burger/pizza/coffee/apple.

Any way I look at it, that burger's going up.

Sure, on the one hand, wages might drive it.

On the other hand, tax incentives to offshore land speculators might drive it - compounded by increased fees for everything from hydro to insurance premiums on the delivery vehicles.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/02/worl ... reaks.html

[What_the]

What i do know, if $15 is the playing field, then every restaurant will be increasing prices accordingly and therefore competitiveness will also be leveled.

Good to see there's at least one left winger who understands that the cost of everything will go up with an increase in minimum wage. My prediction is that the cost of everything will go up just enough to nullify the amount of the minimum wage earner's raise to $15. And that prediction is bang on, because there's only one consumer, and he has to pay what it costs to make that burger/pizza/coffee/apple.

Well, thank you.
But basically like petro fuels, hydropower, water, Telecommunications, automation, which directly influence and affect the cost of doing business, which in turn influences and affects the cost of living.

All those things have increased (admittedly I can't recite the actual numbers at this moment. who can but those whose pay cheque depends? If my pay cheque depended, I wouldn't be wasting time here, I'd be making the rules and/or running for office) Considerably while wages are dictated, or quashed and derided, by those who control.

[Urban Cowboy]

I wonder what rent is like in Nunavut?

Might be a bit better, but I'm sure the heating bill, and food for example $12 for 4L of milk, will more than make up for it.

[Drip_Torch]

As crazy as this sounds,15 bucks may not be enough.Hyperinflation of basic housing is going unchecked.
If the housing market could be slowed down a whole bunch,then a minimum wage increase wouldn't be needed at all.I wonder what's next to come? -one bedroom with a shared bathroom with four other people renting for 1500$ or more.I wonder what rent is like in Nunavut?

Oh good grief. Do I need to draw a picture?

Why settle for the middle class, through home ownership in British Columbia, when it's so easy ride first class? You don't need to move to Nunavut. Just find an off-shore business partner and join AdvantageBC. Not only does that get you the preferred land speculation ticket amongst the banks, but it also gets you access to my pocket.

[JollyGreenBully]

Any way I look at it, that burger's going up.

When minimum wage was stuck at $8/h for years on end the prices at fast food restaurants rose dramatically. Actually, the prices of pretty much everything rose dramatically.