Will money and arrogance cost Christy Clark the election?

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The Green Party and the NDP clearly represent a left point of view.
Somewhere in the 60% range.

The United Right..Liberals have never represented much beyond 40%.

Let's get on with the govt. B.C. Deserves.
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    George+ wrote:The Green Party and the NDP clearly represent a left point of view.
    Somewhere in the 60% range.

    The United Right..Liberals have never represented much beyond 40%.

    Let's get on with the govt. B.C. Deserves.
During the campaign you told us that many Liberal voters were flocking to the Greens. You were right about that but it doesn't mean that those voters changed their political leanings from centre/centre right to left. Many were just sending a message to the Liberals.
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Urbane wrote:
    George+ wrote:The Green Party and the NDP clearly represent a left point of view.
    Somewhere in the 60% range.

    The United Right..Liberals have never represented much beyond 40%.

    Let's get on with the govt. B.C. Deserves.
During the campaign you told us that many Liberal voters were flocking to the Greens. You were right about that but it doesn't mean that those voters changed their political leanings from centre/centre right to left. Many were just sending a message to the Liberals.


Many were sending a message to the Liberals and the NDP.
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George+ wrote:The Green Party and the NDP clearly represent a left point of view.
Somewhere in the 60% range.

The United Right..Liberals have never represented much beyond 40%.

Let's get on with the govt. B.C. Deserves.


That assessment plays well into your narrative, except for the fact that it leaves out an important component.

Where you are attempting to make it seem that 60% of British Columbians are left, the fact of the matter is that only about 60% even voted, so of that 60% you may or may not have 60% who are left, I'd be inclined to say not, because as has been suggested, and rightly so, some simply wished to send the Liberals a message.

With that in mind, it's more than likely, that a more realistic figure would be 50% of that 60% would be true lefties.

That still leaves 40% that voted Liberal, 10% that would have liked to, but are disenchanted with them right now, plus 40% that didn't vote, and if they did, it's not unreasonable to expect that a portion would go to the three parties, so in the end it would turn out that the right would likely be strongest. That they also won the popular vote also supports my theory.

Am I speculating somewhat? Sure I am, but more realistically than you I'd say. That portion of people who don't go out and vote, are often ones who are content with the way things are going. The other side as is easily verified, tends to be more vocal, so I believe more of the non voters, would be right leaning than left.

Disagree all you wish, but I think for the most part, BC has the government the majority of the population is content with.
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I'm not content is a word I would use, perhaps fed up is a better statement. It has been long my belief that BC politics has needed a reset and this is possibly the way to get it done. Even if they Liberals pull out 1 more riding to get to that magic majority it will be built on a house of cards. Be prepared for a lot of politicking in the days to come.
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mr.bandaid wrote:I'm not content is a word I would use, perhaps fed up is a better statement. It has been long my belief that BC politics has needed a reset and this is possibly the way to get it done. Even if they Liberals pull out 1 more riding to get to that magic majority it will be built on a house of cards. Be prepared for a lot of politicking in the days to come.

Exactly (my bold).

Although quite a few people are excited about the possibility this will force the parties to play "nice", I'm skeptical. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Even if they are all playing nice, there's no guarantee everyone will stay committed to putting "best outcome for BC" before "best outcome for my party" for any length of time.

One certain outcome of this election (regardless of the recount results) is a great deal of uncertainty. That is never a good thing for the economy. Eventually, a stalling economy affects each and every one of us.
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The counting could easily go into June.

With Clark still as premier.

Ahhhh!! Really no reason why it takes this long...the votes are there.

Maybe they could refund our taxes until they sort it out!
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rustled wrote:
mr.bandaid wrote:I'm not content is a word I would use, perhaps fed up is a better statement. It has been long my belief that BC politics has needed a reset and this is possibly the way to get it done. Even if they Liberals pull out 1 more riding to get to that magic majority it will be built on a house of cards. Be prepared for a lot of politicking in the days to come.

Exactly (my bold).

Although quite a few people are excited about the possibility this will force the parties to play "nice", I'm skeptical. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Even if they are all playing nice, there's no guarantee everyone will stay committed to putting "best outcome for BC" before "best outcome for my party" for any length of time.

One certain outcome of this election (regardless of the recount results) is a great deal of uncertainty. That is never a good thing for the economy. Eventually, a stalling economy affects each and every one of us.

Majority/minority, whatever. I don't give this outcome a year before we are back at the polling stations again.
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O.T.
I do disagree.
Your calculations are absolutely gobbledygook.

Liberals who voted Green are definitely lefties
And liked the possibility of the NDP and Greens working together.

So in reality the lefties are probably well above 60%!
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George+ wrote:O.T.
I do disagree.
Your calculations are absolutely gobbledygook.

Liberals who voted Green are definitely lefties
And liked the possibility of the NDP and Greens working together.

So in reality the lefties are probably well above 60%!


Based on that inventive logic I also assume you feel that anyone who did vote NDP like to slaughter puppies right?

Has the same amount of actual reality applied as you have.

So far you have claimed the NDP will win as Liberals vote Green to teach a lesson, that the Liberals might win as the Greens split the vote and on and on (no cake and eat it too logic there). You always have an excuse for everything, and you certainly make a clear show of the values NDP stands for. excuses on end and never accountability.

You sound like the husbands and wives who blame the other person when they cheat.....can't ever be your fault right? lol

I'm glad the Liberals didn't win out right and glad the NDP didn't either. Neither party has shown that they have remotely learned anything in the past 16 years or should have control. I hope this jump starts that process finally.....sadly it will likely just end in the NDP trying to bribe for a coalition with the greens or creating an environment of extortion rather than cooperation.
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    George+ wrote:The Green Party and the NDP clearly represent a left point of view.
    Somewhere in the 60% range.

    The United Right..Liberals have never represented much beyond 40%.

    Let's get on with the govt. B.C. Deserves.
If we look at the objective polls we see that a majority of British Columbians favour the Site C Clean Energy Project and Kinder Morgan expansion. Most want to keep taxes reasonably low and they're not wanting to see a repeat of the financial malaise that overtook the province in the 1990's. If you want to call that "a left point of view" feel free.
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George+ wrote:O.T.
I do disagree.
Your calculations are absolutely gobbledygook.

Liberals who voted Green are definitely lefties
And liked the possibility of the NDP and Greens working together.

So in reality the lefties are probably well above 60%!


Oh I'm shocked you disagree. [icon_lol2.gif]

Your logic, and how you arrive at the conclusion you seek, is generally far more rooted in gobbledygook than anything I could come up with.

I believe I'm not too far off base, in suggesting that many who don't vote, are more or less content with the way things are.

It doesn't take any effort, to note the lefties love to mix it up and make noise, some of you haven't stopped since last election.

That suggests to me, that much of the sector that doesn't turn up to vote, would lean right.

No worries though, I'm well aware there's zero chance of getting you to view something logically.
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George+ wrote:
Let's get on with the govt. B.C. Deserves.


No one deserves an NDP government. That's a fate that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
This election, vote ABLNDP - anyone but those scumbag NDP or scumbag Liberals. "Justinda Trudeau" must go. No more global elitist scum in charge of our resources and our democracy.
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Me thinks there is just a tinge of upset by the righties,
that the NDP did as well as they did. They would have had
large majorities the last two elections but for the Greenies.

But Urbane...go ahead and dream of the Greens excusing the
Site C waste of billions. The party will collapse if they support that.

Not even Andrew Weaver is that stupid,

Then there is Kinder Morgan...never should have been there at all.
Many countries are doing very well with solar.
B.C./Canada is way behind.

Lefty Liberals were fed up with both of these.
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“Weaver believes he can pick up the Green Party, plop it in the middle, make it “Liberal Light” and draw votes from both sides. It makes me angry when people minimize the urgency of our environmental challenges for political gain – and that’s what he’s done. It’s a travesty.”

Andrew Weaver's former campaign manager who resigned.

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