Who's going to win today?

Discuss the upcoming elections here.

The winner?

Liberals
43
63%
NDP
18
26%
Green Party
2
3%
BC Conservatives
4
6%
Other
1
1%
 
Total votes: 68

Scott17
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Re: Who's going to win today?

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The Green Barbarian wrote:This is going on all over BC right now. Sayanora to being the best economically in Canada!


Good thing all that is is anecdotal evidence, pure speculation, and fear-mongering.
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A few people have posted about the changing world our governments face with AI. Some interesting info here

http://www.businesstoday.in/magazine/co ... 53260.html

Note the date. Made me look at my calendar.

We'll want our governments to prepare pragmatically for this shift. I think many of us are concerned the GreeNDP will be more driven by ideology, taking us in the direction they want us to go rather than in the direction we need to go.
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frazdog wrote:Rwede,
What information do you have that makes it necessary to make these changes? What products does this equipment make? I think you need to be more specific as there are many on these forums who may think you are just making this up to justify your dislike of the NDP / Green coalition.

How about an increase in minimum wage to $15? That money has to come from somewhere. The list goes on and on, but that alone is enough to stifle growth for a lot of companies.

There's also the massive deficits that will be run up due to the decreasing revenues and increased spending they've promised. There's only one way for these promises to be paid for and it's higher taxes, both corporate and individual.

A promised increase in the carbon tax also has to be paid for.

It seems a lot of you think companies can just absorb huge cost increases like this like they're nothing. You're so clueless.
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Absolutely dumb to not review Site C..
Should have been done by BCUC already...big mistake.
I suspect this will proceed but not Kinder Morgan expansion.

Tripling tanker traffic in Burrard Inlet under Lions Gate
And Second Narrows bridge is just insane.
All involved should kayak the route.
And then there is narrow Juan de Fuca Strait.
Not to mention severe storms and possible earthquakes.

I call B.S. On Rwede until he presents direct evidence.
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Christy needs to hang on to power for a short while longer to complete one final deal to satisfy her friends with deep pockets.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news ... dered-deal
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scott17 - if you care to plow through the site C thread in BC, you will see that I have posted peer reviewed information plus much more factual information.

I also post a challenge that absolutely NO opponent of site C has been able to meet:

Please post a link to a windy-solar-tidal grid jurisdiction that provides abundant, reliable, affordable electricity without subsidies.

Can you meet that challenge?

Subsidizing electricity rates is a mug's game, as is subsidizing technology that has no hope of providing a better option. The physics of energy density mean that wind-solar-tidal will never be able to provide electricity at optimum costs. That is tied to peak power demand issues and the non synchronous nature of wind-solar-tidal.

Proof in the real world: California (where the windy-solar-tidal ethos emanates from) is at $.27/kWh already - and that's with huge subsidies going to producers and the state and cities further subsidizing the windy-solar regime with storage capacity to stabilize the grid. Real electricity costs in California are likely much closer to $.35/kWh. South Australia went all windy-solar and got - blackouts, skyrocketing prices ($.35/kWh) - and are now having to invest 100s of millions to stabilize their grid - in part by building transmission lines to import coal generated electricity lol. Windy Denmark is at $.44/kWh.

So how is that rubbish better than $.10/kWh from BC Hydro for clean renewable energy? And don't forget that site C is a dam on a river that already has two dams, so the impact is far less than on a pristine river.

What happens to seniors, low income folks, folks on disability and families with high mortgages with electric heat when the windy-solar dreamers drive our electricity rates up to something like $.35/kWh???

As usual with the BC NDP unionist party - they fail to plan, so they fail to ask the simple question - and then what?

It is a spiral of ignorance and circular logic that will take the province down the drain. Australia is already paying the price as industries shut down or move production to other countries because of high cost and unreliable energy.

Is that what you want? High unemployment. Lower corporate tax revenues? How then are you going to pay for the subsidies for you dreamy windy-solar utopia?
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The reality is that the business world has brought this on themselves.
Ridiculously high prices, while wages have not kept up.

For example... $110 per hour for vehivcle repairs is just outrageous.
Skyrocketing utility prices.
Huge increases in food and housing costs.
Wages are generally way behind, especially for those just getting started.
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The Green Barbarian wrote:You don't have to think too hard here. Anyone who was involved in spooling up for Site C is now looking at laying people off in droves. Unintended consequences of a protest vote. Soooo dumb.


Neighbour was over for a few Pepsis and a period of hockey last night. His son-in-law works for an outfit that is involved in Site C prep work. He just got told by his foreman that they're going to start cutting jobs at their company by 20% per month over the next few months. The kid's lucky enough to have a welding ticket, so he figures he's okay for a bit, but he's pretty worried about when they get to him on the list. Crummy deal for these guys.
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The reality is that the business world has brought this on themselves.
Ridiculously high prices, while wages have not kept up.

For example... $110 per hour for vehivcle repairs is just outrageous.
Skyrocketing utility prices.
Huge increases in food and housing costs.
Wages are generally way behind, especially for those just getting started.
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Re: Who's going to win today?

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Why should clean energy not be subsidized?

http://blueandgreentomorrow.com/feature ... n-nations/
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Re: Who's going to win today?

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George+ wrote:Why should clean energy not be subsidized?
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because it isn't clean and doesn't generate much if any energy.
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George+ wrote:The reality is that the business world has brought this on themselves.
Ridiculously high prices, while wages have not kept up.
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I keep hearing this over and over again from people who have never owned a business or worked a day in the private sector in their lives. You have to wonder then why they claim to know so much about "business" at all, and who is feeding them the malarkey they are choosing to believe, given they have no actual personal experience to draw from.
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Pricing is based on what the market will pay, not costs. But even if it was based on costs, the biggest thing driving increasing costs on a lot of goods is the weakening of the dollar.

You can tell the true business people from those without a clue simply based on what they think the prices of goods are based on... and it's not costs. Pricing is all market driven.

And since pricing is market driven, customers don't just pay more for goods because costs have risen - they don't know what costs are so whether they go up or down doesn't influence their buying decision. As a result, companies needing to maintain margins need to find a way to cut costs (again, since they can't increase their prices because the market determines pricing). The result is exactly what Rwede outlined... cost-cutting measures.
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So...you would argue car dealers charge $110 bucks per hour
Because they can't raise car prices!
Ah ha ha ha.

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