Waters Edge Condo Fire (Mission Fire)

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That fire is also visible from our Knox Mountain webcam:
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at 12:30pm:
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Re: Condo Fire at Truswell

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Yep........I am going to put my money into a wood framed condo development so that the developer can have a larger profit margin.
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JagXKR wrote:
forum wrote:The roofer is going to be traumatized for life. And I feel bad for the guy, these guys have a tough job and honestly don't get paid well for their efforts.

That being said, no way he should have been working alone with an open flame on a stick building.

I blame the Site Supervisor on this one for allowing the situation to even be an option.


What if the roofer was the supervisor? :200:



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WalterWhite wrote:
How many more car accidents are going to happen before cars are banned? Installed properly by qualified installers mod bit roofing is safe, affordable and durable. I certainly wouldn't be basing anything off of an info-mercial from a roofing supplier touting a new product. Torch on definitely lasts longer than the 15 year max they're saying. Fire suppression equipment is mandatory when installing, and as I stated earlier, this guy's unfortunately going to have a few hard questions to answer. Properly equipped there's no reason a single worker couldn't have dealt with a fire in that situation.


One fire extinguisher, one. That's all that's required per torch. Also I have yet to see one car destroy a whole building. But one roofer can destroy a whole building and severely damage others. And sometimes they destroy already lived in condo's that are getting their modified bitumen roofs redone. The reason they do them so much is they are cheaper. In Spanish "El barato sale caro", the cheap comes out expensive.

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forum wrote:The roofer is going to be traumatized for life. And I feel bad for the guy, these guys have a tough job and honestly don't get paid well for their efforts.

That being said, no way he should have been working alone with an open flame on a stick building.

I blame the Site Supervisor on this one for allowing the situation to even be an option.


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You will probably have to confirm with a commercial roofing company but I have been told that you should of had a burn permit and it is mandatory to have a fire extinguisher nearby . Two things come to mind. Was the work being done to avoid some rules and why were you up there working by yourself. Trying to get away with something while nobody around ???
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Noisy Boater wrote:You will probably have to confirm with a commercial roofing company but I have been told that you should of had a burn permit and it is mandatory to have a fire extinguisher nearby . Two things come to mind. Was the work being done to avoid some rules and why were you up there working by yourself. Trying to get away with something while nobody around ???

Very valid questions and anyone that has had dealings with a roofing company that rhymes with badge will suspect corners were being cut and safety measures were not adhered too!
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WalterWhite wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote:No this goes higher . Stairwells need to be concrete floor to rooftop. If this happened at night in an occupied structure we are looking at 20 dead


In a word - no. Fire doors and fire suppression were not operational due to the project still being built from what I understand. Finished firewalls, corridors and exits would have provided the required safe zone necessary for the time required - the designs are specific for that. I have no idea what level of completion the project was at overall, but I heard some owners were expecting to be moving in less than 2 months from now. That said, given the speed with which this took off, I would expect there was some unfinished areas, likely in the upper floor(s) which would be further from completion than ground floor units and even more susceptible to fire.



For me . That is relying way too much on engineering and response times . I'd rather see fire proof concrete in the stairwells
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phasyluck wrote:I smell arson.

Nope! Worse than that.....incompetent roofing company.
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Display Guy wrote:
Noisy Boater wrote:You will probably have to confirm with a commercial roofing company but I have been told that you should of had a burn permit and it is mandatory to have a fire extinguisher nearby . Two things come to mind. Was the work being done to avoid some rules and why were you up there working by yourself. Trying to get away with something while nobody around ???

Very valid questions and anyone that has had dealings with a roofing company that rhymes with badge will suspect corners were being cut and safety measures were not adhered too!



Dependant upon who insures them . Either supposed to remain on site 2 or 4 hours after last torch goes out . Also fire suppression equipment is required to my limited knowledge
Now they want to take our guns away . That would be just fine. Take em away from the criminals first . Ill gladly give u mine. "Charlie Daniels"

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JagXKR wrote:
WalterWhite wrote:
How many more car accidents are going to happen before cars are banned? Installed properly by qualified installers mod bit roofing is safe, affordable and durable. I certainly wouldn't be basing anything off of an info-mercial from a roofing supplier touting a new product. Torch on definitely lasts longer than the 15 year max they're saying. Fire suppression equipment is mandatory when installing, and as I stated earlier, this guy's unfortunately going to have a few hard questions to answer. Properly equipped there's no reason a single worker couldn't have dealt with a fire in that situation.


One fire extinguisher, one. That's all that's required per torch. Also I have yet to see one car destroy a whole building. But one roofer can destroy a whole building and severely damage others. And sometimes they destroy already lived in condo's that are getting their modified bitumen roofs redone. The reason they do them so much is they are cheaper. In Spanish "El barato sale caro", the cheap comes out expensive.

https://www.worksafebc.com/en/resources ... ng?lang=en


It's a rhetorical statement. As I said, a properly trained single worker is quite capable of dealing with a fire resulting from mod-bit torch applications. I'll wait until the facts are presented before throwing this worker under the bus, but something tells me he may not have been properly prepared. Yes, mod-bit roofing is cheaper and more durable than some of the alternatives - and has been used safely for many years.
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WalterWhite wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote:No this goes higher . Stairwells need to be concrete floor to rooftop. If this happened at night in an occupied structure we are looking at 20 dead


In a word - no. Fire doors and fire suppression were not operational due to the project still being built from what I understand. Finished firewalls, corridors and exits would have provided the required safe zone necessary for the time required - the designs are specific for that. I have no idea what level of completion the project was at overall, but I heard some owners were expecting to be moving in less than 2 months from now. That said, given the speed with which this took off, I would expect there was some unfinished areas, likely in the upper floor(s) which would be further from completion than ground floor units and even more susceptible to fire.



Jflem1983 wrote:For me . That is relying way too much on engineering and response times . I'd rather see fire proof concrete in the stairwells


It's worked just fine - and safely - for decades.
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