Close the backcountry?

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Hypocritical mental gymnastics & moving goalposts is all I see in your "reasoning". I don't directly debate such fluff. Enjoy your echo chamber. :130:
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Woodenhead wrote:Hypocritical mental gymnastics & moving goalposts is all I see in your "reasoning". I don't directly debate such fluff. Enjoy your echo chamber. :130:


Here is my issues laid out in point form for you to easily read :biggrin:

- a ban on the backcountry will not be equal for all; last time it was banned, businesses which relied on using the backcountry (farming, tours, fishing resorts) were allowed ro continue operating but your everday joe was banned.

- there is NO data on the net to suggest a ban prevents any fires.

- A ban of that scale is almost impossible to police, people know this and so you will only keep out the do gooders that wouldn't start are fire anayway.

There was a guy literally igniting the grass by the pentiction chanel a few days ago, castanet posted an article. These are the people who do not care if there is any kind of ban. Those people and smokers who toss their butts are the #1 for human caused fires, they are thr real problem that a backcountry ban will not stop.
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Finally, something other than a vague rant. I'll address them after I parse your grammar errors.

- a ban on the backcountry will not be equal for all; last time it was banned, businesses which relied on using the backcountry (farming, tours, fishing resorts) were allowed ro continue operating but your everday joe was banned.

This is common & fair in many laws, rules, and regulations. (IDK how farming relates to backcountry tho, or how a boat on the water does, either.) Besides, FSRs were open & you could still fish and access resorts. But logging operations (a business) often cease operations in high risk times/areas.

- there is NO data on the net to suggest a ban prevents any fires.

Russel's teapot. But Frisk already posted actual data that counters that.

- A ban of that scale is almost impossible to police, people know this and so you will only keep out the do gooders that wouldn't start are fire anayway.
Citation needed & my direct experience contradicts that, but carry on...
There was a guy literally igniting the grass by the pentiction chanel a few days ago, castanet posted an article. These are the people who do not care if there is any kind of ban. Those people and smokers who toss their butts are the #1 for human caused fires, they are thr real problem that a backcountry ban will not stop.


Hard to police, so don't make the rule. There are other problems, so ignore this one. Got it. :up: FWIW, last year's ban worked in my backcountry area; as in, activity ceased. Yes, I live in/directly adjacent to the backcountry.
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Woodenhead wrote:Finally, something other than a vague rant. I'll address them after I parse your grammar errors. Wow, a shot at my grammar, stick to the debate, I might respect you more.

- a ban on the backcountry will not be equal for all; last time it was banned, businesses which relied on using the backcountry (farming, tours, fishing resorts) were allowed ro continue operating but your everday joe was banned.

This is common & fair in many laws, rules, and regulations. (IDK how farming cows, you claim to live right on the doorstep, you should know this. relates to backcountry tho, or how a boat on the water does, either.) Besides, FSRs were open & you could still fish and access resorts. But logging operations (a business) often cease operations in high risk times/areas.

- there is NO data on the net to suggest a ban prevents any fires.

Russel's teapot. But Frisk already posted actual data that counters that.he posted data on human caused fire, not a break down on how many fires are started from people just enjoying the backcountry. His stats include all the arsonists I speak uf, but you would rather not post any data and just say its hogwash.

- A ban of that scale is almost impossible to police, people know this and so you will only keep out the do gooders that wouldn't start are fire anayway.
Citation needed & my direct experience contradicts that, but carry on...more just your opinions
There was a guy literally igniting the grass by the pentiction chanel a few days ago, castanet posted an article. These are the people who do not care if there is any kind of ban. Those people and smokers who toss their butts are the #1 for human caused fires, they are thr real problem that a backcountry ban will not stop.


Hard to police, so don't make the rule. There are other problems, so ignore this one. Got it. :up: FWIW, last year's ban worked in my backcountry area; as in, activity ceased. Yes, I live in/directly adjacent to the backcountry.


I know you love to think you own the backcountry becasue you live near it. "Keep the city slickers out" becasue anyone that lives in the city shouldn't enjoy the backcountry. You don't care if everyone is banned because you live right near it and probably ignore the ban anyway and hike around your property. Post some actual data or show some knowlege on the topic and not just disregard everything I say by calling it mental gymnastics. Have a nice day, I'm not engaging any further with a troll.
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So, cows start fires, you ignore data + refuse to post your own while asking me to, you somehow skew your illogical opinions into falsehoods that you think are true facts & fits your narrative (some arsonist in Penticton = backcountry, nice), one can't walk on their own private property, and you know what I care about. (I like to play devil's advocate, often gets to the root of the matter more effectively)

Glad you said you'd stop replying. (somehow I doubt you'll hold true to that, either) :130:
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Hey Sparki55 don't get bent out of shape over the wood heads of the the world ? The ones that only wish to antagonize and stir the pot (as just admitted to). People need to understand what an analogy is ? "a similarity or correspondence in certain respects between two things". So now that you know what an analogy is, I have one for you all ?
By your thinking, you say to keep a couple idiots out of the back country, stop everyone from going into the back country ?
So how about to keep the thousand of idiot drivers off the the roads we should stop everyone from driving ?
Absolutely the same, parallel comparisons. Selfish closed minded thinking.
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*Stop making this personal and get back on topic! Thank you.
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Just the fire department flexing its muscles. South of town they think they are omnipotent. They could teach the Nazis lessons on dealing with the pesky little public.
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