Kirschner Mountain Flooding

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Yup, I would say someone from the city sure did their due diligence on this one. I wonder how many of the other mega developments going in will have the same problems.
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techrtr wrote:Yup, I would say someone from the city sure did their due diligence on this one. I wonder how many of the other mega developments going in will have the same problems.


What are you implying about the city due diligence and what does it have to do with an under-construction project that hit higher than normal rain/snow?
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techrtr wrote:Yup, I would say someone from the city sure did their due diligence on this one. I wonder how many of the other mega developments going in will have the same problems.


Would you like me to provide you with a few examples of flooding and erosion, in areas that have been in place for 30+yrs with virtually no issues, yet experienced flooding damage in the recent rain storm?

Much as I often find bureaucrats a pain in the butt, at the same time, it's hardly fair to be blaming them every time mother nature throws a hissy fit.
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These flooding problems seen to happening in a few places in the Okanagan. Many where there is development going on up above. Developers are getting pathetically simple approvals for their subdivisions, without having to worry about runoff. And city hall is also ducking their responsibility. Who's side is city hall on?

A long term solution is make your elected officials responsible at the polls. Demand these city councilors who are supported and propped up by developers do their jobs for their citizens, not the developers. Organize and elect councilors and mayors who will do the right thing.
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City counselors do not have degrees in civil engineering, hydrology, or geology . Why should they be held accountable for drainage problems?
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bob vernon wrote:These flooding problems seen to happening in a few places in the Okanagan. Many where there is development going on up above. Developers are getting pathetically simple approvals for their subdivisions, without having to worry about runoff. And city hall is also ducking their responsibility. Who's side is city hall on?

A long term solution is make your elected officials responsible at the polls. Demand these city councilors who are supported and propped up by developers do their jobs for their citizens, not the developers. Organize and elect councilors and mayors who will do the right thing.


I'm sorry, but I see no correlation blaming politicians and so-called "pathetically simple approvals" for the current flooding/mudslide issues. You're right in that there are a number of areas experiencing these same issues - many of them long time developments that haven't seen these issues in the past and therefore the logical summation is that it has much more to do with simple weather related events than it does back door deals with politicians and shady developers.
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WalterWhite wrote:
bob vernon wrote:These flooding problems seen to happening in a few places in the Okanagan. Many where there is development going on up above. Developers are getting pathetically simple approvals for their subdivisions, without having to worry about runoff. And city hall is also ducking their responsibility. Who's side is city hall on?

A long term solution is make your elected officials responsible at the polls. Demand these city councilors who are supported and propped up by developers do their jobs for their citizens, not the developers. Organize and elect councilors and mayors who will do the right thing.


I'm sorry, but I see no correlation blaming politicians and so-called "pathetically simple approvals" for the current flooding/mudslide issues. You're right in that there are a number of areas experiencing these same issues - many of them long time developments that haven't seen these issues in the past and therefore the logical summation is that it has much more to do with simple weather related events than it does back door deals with politicians and shady developers.


Precisely. :up:

Some just find it more entertaining to blame the politicians for everything. Lucky for them, they don't have to prove, that they are smarter, and more capable, than those they trash.
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Case in point:

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/2 ... cleaned-up

KLO Rd. has been roughly in this same place for decades. The "development" above this spot is Harvest Golf Club, and has been in existence since 1994.
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Why does there need to be the reason to attack anyone. Bad planning is possible but we are dealing with a change in soil, weather patterns, etc. over the last 20 years which are now showing some of their impact.

Blaming anyone at this point for "not having foresight" or "not being engineers and planning developments properly" is in my opinion a fools errand. Yes we could argue that mistakes are made but then lets learn from them, because quite honestly that is the issue here, the public hasn't learned nor asked the right questions.

There are plenty of excuses "my voice wouldn't matter, they are all bought anyway, why would they listen to me, and so on..." but the reality is civic, provincial, or federal politicians are representatives of the public, this doesn't mean that the public just gets to lean back and relax and leave everything to them.

The mudslides we are seeing, as well as the kirschner mountain, black mountain and west kelowna floodings are part of an issue we all have ignored for a long period. We could have prepped, accepted that we are seeing unusual weather pattern throughout the years, and accepted that with the amount of forests we lost (not just due to development) we had to see more movement of soil.

Alone in the last year we have seen sinkholes open up underneath docks, landslides take out beach segments, foundations damaged by water finding new paths and so on. Not even speaking of the Wildfires. Now it doesn't paint a great picture especially with the start of spring we are experiencing right now, but that doesn't mean it is all doom and gloom.

A problem I see however, we love to pretend that this Tourism Town is second to none and doesn't have any environmental/social community issues. Hell we don't even say "cloudy with some sunny periods" here we say "sunny with some clouds" as if that changes the reality. For that matter we love to refer to our sunshine tax, well sure we do have sunshine, and more so (sometimes) than other regions but for some reason we decided that it is the reason to underpay and overcharge in this town but I digress.

A lot of the issues we are seeing we can deal with and prepare for but it requires us to be aware and involved (and no not just behind the computer monitor... or phone... I feel so old). To point fingers at politicians etc. and accuse them well, we may want to point the fingers at ourselves as well as we are part of the issue.
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casey60 wrote:You take the trees out that hold the ground and the water. Build homes. Nothing to hold the water and the ground. This is the result.


100%,,hope the engineers involved in these projects, get fired and sued, do these losers not know there jobs anymore, or do they just sign off for kickbacks, i have seen it before
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the truth wrote:
casey60 wrote:You take the trees out that hold the ground and the water. Build homes. Nothing to hold the water and the ground. This is the result.


100%,,hope the engineers involved in these projects, get fired and sued, do these losers not know there jobs anymore, or do they just sign off for kickbacks, i have seen it before


I would be very interested in your showing proof of this claim.
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WalterWhite wrote:the truth>>casey60You take the trees out that hold the ground and the water. Build homes. Nothing to hold the water and the ground. This is the result.

100%,,hope the engineers involved in these projects, get fired and sued, do these losers not know there jobs anymore, or do they just sign off for kickbacks, i have seen it before

I would be very interested in your showing proof of this claim.


While I think on the surface the truth and casey60 are correct, there are plenty of ways to ensure that the ground can absorb the water. That being said it isn't cheap, and it does require a lot of thinking (and paying ahead). I am not saying that the people building were reckless, but likely hadn't considered or anticipate everything that could happen.
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dominik wrote:
WalterWhite wrote:the truth>>casey60You take the trees out that hold the ground and the water. Build homes. Nothing to hold the water and the ground. This is the result.

100%,,hope the engineers involved in these projects, get fired and sued, do these losers not know there jobs anymore, or do they just sign off for kickbacks, i have seen it before

I would be very interested in your showing proof of this claim.


While I think on the surface the truth and casey60 are correct, there are plenty of ways to ensure that the ground can absorb the water. That being said it isn't cheap, and it does require a lot of thinking (and paying ahead). I am not saying that the people building were reckless, but likely hadn't considered or anticipate everything that could happen.


Truth is not correct, and I again ask for proof of their claim. Casey is somewhat correct, except as has been stated previously- it’s an unfinished development currently under construction. I’m quite sure there will be curb and gutters along with dry wells and catch basins, just as is required in any new development. Yes, once homes are built and landscaping is complete there will be trees and ground cover to retain most of the surface water - but it currently resembles not much more than a gravel pit that’s unfortunately experiencing higher than normal groundwater levels - just like everywhere else this spring. No conspiracies; no crooked contractors; no engineers on the take; no lack of inspections- just unfortunate timing and conditions courtesy of Mother Nature.
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Y'all should do your part to help solve the storm water problems.

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the truth wrote:
casey60 wrote:You take the trees out that hold the ground and the water. Build homes. Nothing to hold the water and the ground. This is the result.


100%,,hope the engineers involved in these projects, get fired and sued, do these losers not know there jobs anymore, or do they just sign off for kickbacks, i have seen it before


And I hope that the engineers look at this and sue you for what you have said above. It would, at least, be more justifiable although both situations would lose.
The lack of knowledge and understanding of the situation that you have demonstrated is truly astonishing.

You do realize that one cannot simply snap their fingers and have a development go from unfinished to finished in an instant, don’t you? Apparently not. Perhaps you have been watching old episodes of Bewitched and thought they were a documentary.

They are dealing with the situation. What more do you expec? Being Easter, perhaps a good old crucifixion?
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