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foenix wrote: Dec 17th, 2021, 5:38 pm Eyes wide shut. :up:
Your bias towards satellites shows whose eyes are wide shut. Satellites are used for a great many measurements from rainfall to gas concentrations, to indirect temperature measurements, sea level, solar radiation measurements and more… the same technology put in weather balloons. These are the only devices not biased by thermometer issues and have global coverage sea and land. You put your faith in goofy sources. Either way, recent studies are trending towards cloud cover controlling temperatures, affecting coral growth, etc. not CO2.

Global warming is good for everyone seeing warm periods are much more rare. You want it to get colder? It wont in your life time but it will happen. You wont see any catastrophic or existential events today unless some meteorite hits us.

https://eos.org/articles/ancient-fish-t ... al-warming
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Jlabute wrote: Dec 17th, 2021, 8:36 pm
foenix wrote: Dec 17th, 2021, 5:38 pm Eyes wide shut. :up:
Your bias towards satellites shows whose eyes are wide shut. Satellites are used for a great many measurements from rainfall to gas concentrations, to indirect temperature measurements, sea level, solar radiation measurements and more… the same technology put in weather balloons. These are the only devices not biased by thermometer issues and have global coverage sea and land. You put your faith in goofy sources. Either way, recent studies are trending towards cloud cover controlling temperatures, affecting coral growth, etc. not CO2.

Global warming is good for everyone seeing warm periods are much more rare. You want it to get colder? It wont in your life time but it will happen. You wont see any catastrophic or existential events today unless some meteorite hits us.

https://eos.org/articles/ancient-fish-t ... al-warming
I never said satellite data wasn't any good.....all said was that there were many inherent problems with them, including some studies that were posted when those data was taken at face value and without recognition of those inherent weaknesses for the satellie data.

Nope recent climate studies are showing that higher global temperature due to ever increasing CO2 level will strip away the cloud cover and cause more heating. That's pretty apparent as coral growth is shrinking world wide so by your reasoning that must mean there is less global cloud formation. If you belive coral growth is increasing world wide, please share that information.

......and of course, that link is about what might have happened 55 MILLION years ago........now that's pure guess work.
These results are notably different from what current fisheries models predict as Earth currently faces another period of rapid warming. These alternate predictions could arise from a difference in timescales...........

Still, Sibert urges caution when comparing fish outcomes during the PETM and what might happen this century—and beyond. “The rate of warming…can have dramatic and differential impacts on marine ecosystems,” she noted........

Sibert’s research team plans to expand the study with additional sediment records from different environments beyond tropical regions to better understand whether their results represent a global phenomenon during the PETM. They will also continue to refine their research by further accounting for variation in sedimentation rates and density to increase their confidence in the results.
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foenix wrote: Dec 18th, 2021, 10:27 am I never said satellite data wasn't any good.....all said was that there were many inherent problems with them, including some studies that were posted when those data was taken at face value and without recognition of those inherent weaknesses for the satellie data.

Nope recent climate studies are showing that higher global temperature due to ever increasing CO2 level will strip away the cloud cover and cause more heating. That's pretty apparent as coral growth is shrinking world wide so by your reasoning that must mean there is less global cloud formation. If you belive coral growth is increasing world wide, please share that information.

......and of course, that link is about what might have happened 55 MILLION years ago........now that's pure guess work.
Every measurement system has weaknesses when considered for global purposes. We know most if not all weaknesses. It is why we have versions of temperature datasets such as UAH6, HadCRUT5, CRUTEM5 etc. Earth has been cooling since 2015 in a mini hiatus.

Also, just because coral bleaches doesn’t mean a population isnt in good health. As we discovered with the great barrier reef which is currently at an undisputed and measured record high, periods of bleaching are followed by periods of adaptation and growth. Goes to show current understanding of coral health is not understood by science and is distorted by media and agendas.

Total cloud cover is not being stripped away. It only varies by a few percent since satellites started measuring it and has been increasing since 2000. Most of this is controlled by solar activity, cosmic rays which seed cloud formation.

https://judithcurry.com/2016/05/24/cora ... ng-debate/

https://www.netzerowatch.com/peter-ridd ... alarmists/

https://www.c3headlines.com/2014/10/new ... gases.html
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Jlabute wrote: Dec 22nd, 2021, 11:57 am
foenix wrote: Dec 18th, 2021, 10:27 am I never said satellite data wasn't any good.....all said was that there were many inherent problems with them, including some studies that were posted when those data was taken at face value and without recognition of those inherent weaknesses for the satellie data.

Nope recent climate studies are showing that higher global temperature due to ever increasing CO2 level will strip away the cloud cover and cause more heating. That's pretty apparent as coral growth is shrinking world wide so by your reasoning that must mean there is less global cloud formation. If you belive coral growth is increasing world wide, please share that information.

......and of course, that link is about what might have happened 55 MILLION years ago........now that's pure guess work.
Every measurement system has weaknesses when considered for global purposes. We know most if not all weaknesses. It is why we have versions of temperature datasets such as UAH6, HadCRUT5, CRUTEM5 etc. Earth has been cooling since 2015 in a mini hiatus.

Also, just because coral bleaches doesn’t mean a population isnt in good health. As we discovered with the great barrier reef which is currently at an undisputed and measured record high, periods of bleaching are followed by periods of adaptation and growth. Goes to show current understanding of coral health is not understood by science and is distorted by media and agendas.

Total cloud cover is not being stripped away. It only varies by a few percent since satellites started measuring it and has been increasing since 2000. Most of this is controlled by solar activity, cosmic rays which seed cloud formation.

https://judithcurry.com/2016/05/24/cora ... ng-debate/

https://www.netzerowatch.com/peter-ridd ... alarmists/

https://www.c3headlines.com/2014/10/new ... gases.html
That's kinda funny because I'm sure the NOAA uses those same satellites, as well as other more accurate techniques and we are talking global surface temperatures, correct? If so, this is what they are saying........
- Earth’s temperature has risen by 0.14° F (0.08° C) per decade since 1880, and the rate of warming over the past 40 years is more than twice that: 0.32° F (0.18° C) per decade since 1981.

- 2020 was the second-warmest year on record based on NOAA’s temperature data, and land areas were record warm.

- Averaged across land and ocean, the 2020 surface temperature was 1.76° F (0.98° Celsius) warmer than the twentieth-century average of 57.0°F (13.9°C) and 2.14˚F (1.19˚C) warmer than the pre-industrial period (1880-1900).

- Despite a late-year La Niña event that cooled a wide swath of the tropical Pacific Ocean, 2020 came just 0.04˚ Fahrenheit (0.02˚Celsius) shy of tying 2016 for warmest year on record.  

- The 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2005.From 1900 to 1980 a new temperature record was set on average every 13.5 years; from 1981–2019, a new record was set every 3 years.
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https://www.climate.gov/news-features/u ... emperature

We already discussed Peter Rudd's flawed conclusion of the regrowth of the GBR. Sames as Judith Curry's lame attempt as she can't seem to get past the 1998 El Niño event. That was 23 years ago, what is she saying about what's happening now?

14% of world’s coral lost in less than a decade, study shows
About 14% of the world’s coral has been lost in less than a decade, a study of the health of coral reefs has found.

In the largest analysis of coral reef health ever undertaken, scientists found that between 2009 and 2018 the world lost about 11,700 sq km of coral – the equivalent of more than all the living coral in Australia.

Meanwhile, the report, released by the Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network on Tuesday, found that reef algae, which grows when coral is under stress, soared by 20% between 2010 and 2019.

The report features data collected by more than 300 scientists from 73 countries across 40 years, including 2m individual observations.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... eef-health
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Jlabute wrote: Dec 22nd, 2021, 11:57 am
Earth has been cooling since 2015 in a mini hiatus.
I see what you're getting at, it's the same technique whatsupwiththat uses to mislead in that y'all are looking at very small trends that are opposite to the greater long term trend, like when you say the Greenland ice shelf is growing. Yeah it's true in some subsequent years the ice or the temperture is going the opposite direction to the overall long term trend but that doesn't mean either the Greenland ice shelf is growing or that the earth surface temperature is decreasing LONG TERM....
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Grinding anxiety turns into fear for many Alaska Natives when storms hit.

In dozens of villages, the ground is threatening to erode away from under homes, fuel tanks, water and sewer systems, buildings, bridges, roads and runways.

And no one knows the threat of climate change more than residents of Newtok, a village in western Alaska that already is trying to relocate to higher ground. Water has been eroding the shore there at the rate of 125 to 150 feet per year, and the school now sits just 120 feet from the water.

“There's some really big needs for this relocation and some really scary moments right now with lack of funding for a school and housing,” Newtok Relocation Project Manager Patrick Lemay, of Lemay Engineering and Consulting, told Indian Country Today.

“We're looking at possibly water being at the front door of the school within the next 12 months with no funding for a new school in the new location,” he said.

Newtok is one of several Alaska Native communities facing immediate risk of becoming uninhabitable in the next five years because of coastal erosion and flooding, according to studies by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and Government Accountability Office.

The Arctic is warming at twice the rate as the rest of the planet. Sea ice that once extended miles from the shore and protected the coast from fall and winter storms now freezes later in the year and melts earlier. Permafrost, or permanently frozen ground, is thawing, making it more vulnerable to erosion.

The Newtok residents are among tens of thousands of tribal citizens across Indian Country forced to choose between staying in their ancestral lands or moving away to protect themselves from the devastation of climate change, according to an informal survey by Indian Country Today.

In Alaska, Washington, Louisiana, Florida and other coastal states, Indigenous people are facing floods, rising sea levels, coastal erosion and extreme storms. The Southwest and Plains have been hit with drought, wildfires, heat, lowered water tables and depleted waterways. And they’re all facing loss of habitat and a reduction in traditional food sources for people, livestock and wildlife.

https://indiancountrytoday.com/news/on- ... here-to-go time is running out
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captkirkcanada wrote: Jan 3rd, 2022, 12:20 pm ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Grinding anxiety turns into fear for many Alaska Natives when storms hit.

In dozens of villages, the ground is threatening to erode away from under homes, fuel tanks, water and sewer systems, buildings, bridges, roads and runways.

And no one knows the threat of climate change more than residents of Newtok, a village in western Alaska that already is trying to relocate to higher ground. Water has been eroding the shore there at the rate of 125 to 150 feet per year, and the school now sits just 120 feet from the water.

“There's some really big needs for this relocation and some really scary moments right now with lack of funding for a school and housing,” Newtok Relocation Project Manager Patrick Lemay, of Lemay Engineering and Consulting, told Indian Country Today.

“We're looking at possibly water being at the front door of the school within the next 12 months with no funding for a new school in the new location,” he said.

Newtok is one of several Alaska Native communities facing immediate risk of becoming uninhabitable in the next five years because of coastal erosion and flooding, according to studies by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and Government Accountability Office.

The Arctic is warming at twice the rate as the rest of the planet. Sea ice that once extended miles from the shore and protected the coast from fall and winter storms now freezes later in the year and melts earlier. Permafrost, or permanently frozen ground, is thawing, making it more vulnerable to erosion.

The Newtok residents are among tens of thousands of tribal citizens across Indian Country forced to choose between staying in their ancestral lands or moving away to protect themselves from the devastation of climate change, according to an informal survey by Indian Country Today.

In Alaska, Washington, Louisiana, Florida and other coastal states, Indigenous people are facing floods, rising sea levels, coastal erosion and extreme storms. The Southwest and Plains have been hit with drought, wildfires, heat, lowered water tables and depleted waterways. And they’re all facing loss of habitat and a reduction in traditional food sources for people, livestock and wildlife.

https://indiancountrytoday.com/news/on- ... here-to-go time is running out
Blaming Newtok problems on climate change knowing their community is built on a sand-spit below sea level is highly dubious. It is reminiscent of the pacific islands that were screaming for financial help against rising sea levels from wiping them out. So they built 4 airports, and since then the majority of the islands have increased in land mass. 'Climate change' is what people say when they have no clue. Newtok does have an issue. Some places are not appropriate to live and they will be relocated.

Off the coast of BC there are native habitats 400 feet below sea level. Climate change forced them away 13000 years ago.
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If anyone is surprised by this then you have not been paying attention.
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Jlabute wrote: Jan 8th, 2022, 3:52 pm
captkirkcanada wrote: Jan 3rd, 2022, 12:20 pm ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Grinding anxiety turns into fear for many Alaska Natives when storms hit.

In dozens of villages, the ground is threatening to erode away from under homes, fuel tanks, water and sewer systems, buildings, bridges, roads and runways.

And no one knows the threat of climate change more than residents of Newtok, a village in western Alaska that already is trying to relocate to higher ground. Water has been eroding the shore there at the rate of 125 to 150 feet per year, and the school now sits just 120 feet from the water.

“There's some really big needs for this relocation and some really scary moments right now with lack of funding for a school and housing,” Newtok Relocation Project Manager Patrick Lemay, of Lemay Engineering and Consulting, told Indian Country Today.

“We're looking at possibly water being at the front door of the school within the next 12 months with no funding for a new school in the new location,” he said.

Newtok is one of several Alaska Native communities facing immediate risk of becoming uninhabitable in the next five years because of coastal erosion and flooding, according to studies by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and Government Accountability Office.

The Arctic is warming at twice the rate as the rest of the planet. Sea ice that once extended miles from the shore and protected the coast from fall and winter storms now freezes later in the year and melts earlier. Permafrost, or permanently frozen ground, is thawing, making it more vulnerable to erosion.

The Newtok residents are among tens of thousands of tribal citizens across Indian Country forced to choose between staying in their ancestral lands or moving away to protect themselves from the devastation of climate change, according to an informal survey by Indian Country Today.

In Alaska, Washington, Louisiana, Florida and other coastal states, Indigenous people are facing floods, rising sea levels, coastal erosion and extreme storms. The Southwest and Plains have been hit with drought, wildfires, heat, lowered water tables and depleted waterways. And they’re all facing loss of habitat and a reduction in traditional food sources for people, livestock and wildlife.

https://indiancountrytoday.com/news/on- ... here-to-go time is running out
Blaming Newtok problems on climate change knowing their community is built on a sand-spit below sea level is highly dubious. It is reminiscent of the pacific islands that were screaming for financial help against rising sea levels from wiping them out. So they built 4 airports, and since then the majority of the islands have increased in land mass. 'Climate change' is what people say when they have no clue. Newtok does have an issue. Some places are not appropriate to live and they will be relocated.

Off the coast of BC there are native habitats 400 feet below sea level. Climate change forced them away 13000 years ago.
The earth is a bathtub, when water locked as ice melts, sea level rises like a bathtub level rises when adding water. It is very simple to understand.

In 2007, The New York Times reported that erosion made Newtok an island between the widening Ningliq River and a slough to the north, because Alaskan permafrost is melting due to climate change.[7] Coastal storms and thawing permafrost have worn away the land upon which Newtok was built. According to The New York Times article, because the village is below sea-level and sinking, the town could be washed away within a decade.[7]
This was the hightide in Richmond the other day. 12 inches from over topping the dyke . 12 more inches and Richmond floods.
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https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/356663 ... arch-shows

Looks like castanet is onboard with climate change now :130:
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LAST WEEK, a North Dakota court ruled against a bid by the oil company Energy Transfer to keep documents about its security contractor’s operations against anti-pipeline activism secret. The court thwarted the pipeline giant’s attempt to narrow the definition of a public record and withhold thousands of documents from the press. Judge Cynthia Feland ruled that Energy Transfer’s contract with the security firm TigerSwan cannot prevent the state’s private security licensing board from sharing these records with The Intercept, refusing to accept the company’s attempt to exempt the records from open government laws.

“This is the first opinion that I’ve been aware of that’s made it clear that when you give records to a public entity like this private investigation board, they become public records,” said Jack McDonald, attorney for the North Dakota Newspaper Association. “What relationship there was between Energy Transfer and TigerSwan — that doesn’t affect the records.”


https://theintercept.com/2022/01/06/dak ... documents/


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Money doing some talking.


A coalition of investors managing 50 trillion euros ($56.81 trillion) has warned the European Union not to label natural gas investments as sustainable, saying Brussels' draft plan to do so would weaken its global leadership on green finance.

The European Commission drafted a plan late last year to label some gas and nuclear investments as green in the EU's "taxonomy," a long-awaited rule book to define which investments can be labelled as climate-friendly in Europe.

"We remain strongly opposed to any inclusion of gas within the scope of the Taxonomy," IIGCC Chief Executive Stephanie Pfeifer said in an open letter to European Union member states and the bloc's policymakers.

"It is our view that the proposals... would seriously compromise Europe’s status as a global leader in sustainable finance, potentially triggering a 'race to the bottom' which could dilute the level of climate ambition within emerging jurisdictional taxonomies."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-01-12/


Natural gas is out before it even gets started, what a relief :smt045
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captkirkcanada wrote: Jan 12th, 2022, 10:01 am Money doing some talking.
Yup, and all it says is "Good-bye".
captkirkcanada wrote: Jan 12th, 2022, 10:01 am A coalition of investors managing 50 trillion euros ($56.81 trillion) has warned the European Union not to label natural gas investments as sustainable, saying Brussels' draft plan to do so would weaken its global leadership on green finance.

The European Commission drafted a plan late last year to label some gas and nuclear investments as green in the EU's "taxonomy," a long-awaited rule book to define which investments can be labelled as climate-friendly in Europe.

"We remain strongly opposed to any inclusion of gas within the scope of the Taxonomy," IIGCC Chief Executive Stephanie Pfeifer said in an open letter to European Union member states and the bloc's policymakers.

"It is our view that the proposals... would seriously compromise Europe’s status as a global leader in sustainable finance, potentially triggering a 'race to the bottom' which could dilute the level of climate ambition within emerging jurisdictional taxonomies."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-01-12/


Natural gas is out before it even gets started, what a relief :smt045
Natural gas is not out despite any warning. Use of natural gas is up in the UK. You can't power a modern world on solar and wind, you'll only kill people and cause riots. Gas and Nuclear are being labelled as green because they are greener than coal and perfect for transitioning. You thought you could just go cold-turkey with renewables? That is pure unicorn dreams. Of course, as you literally WASTE money on renewables, more gas is required for backup electric production. Renewables cause gas use to go up, and consumer costs to go up. All the trillions you spend accomplish nothing in a practical sense. While YOU put future generations in to unrecoverable debt, the rest of the world is burning more coal and the UK is burning more gas as a tiny bit of coal is phased out. Not to mention, nothing is happening to the world in your made-up frenzy.
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foenix wrote: Dec 27th, 2021, 12:24 pm
Jlabute wrote: Dec 22nd, 2021, 11:57 am
Earth has been cooling since 2015 in a mini hiatus.
I see what you're getting at, it's the same technique whatsupwiththat uses to mislead in that y'all are looking at very small trends that are opposite to the greater long term trend, like when you say the Greenland ice shelf is growing. Yeah it's true in some subsequent years the ice or the temperature is going the opposite direction to the overall long term trend but that doesn't mean either the Greenland ice shelf is growing or that the earth surface temperature is decreasing LONG TERM....
LONG TERM trends are longer than what we have accurate data for, and can be hundreds or thousands of years for some cycles. Meteorologists typically define climate using 30 year periods. So our current 30 year period ending 2021 statistically shows no warming. So if you overlay CO2 since 1990 with temperature, you wouldn't think CO2 is doing anything and much of the effect is due to El Nino. Now with La Nina strengthening, and a stronger solar minimum in effect, we see a downward trend in global temperature.

2021 is now the 8th warmest year on record. Hardly worth mentioning.

https://rclutz.com/2022/01/12/uah-confi ... d-of-2021/

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