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Jlabute wrote: Jul 23rd, 2022, 11:16 am The leftist media and activists must have bought their random emergency generator software from a bake sale or something. Monarch Butterflies are not endangered. Seems many media do not factcheck their stories.

Monarch Butterfly - least concern
https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/159971/806727
I could say the same thing about right wing supporters. That LUCN assessment was done in 2021, this year they are 3 step beyond "least concern"
The migratory monarch butterfly (Danaus plexippus plexippus), known for its spectacular annual journey of up to 4,000 kilometres across the Americas, has entered the IUCN Red List of Threatened SpeciesTM as Endangered, threatened by habitat destruction and climate change.
https://www.iucn.nl/en/news/iucn-red-li ... ndangered/
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restoration of waterways is a part of fixing climate change

https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... th-the-ONA
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foenix wrote: Jul 23rd, 2022, 3:13 pm
Jlabute wrote: Jul 23rd, 2022, 11:16 am The leftist media and activists must have bought their random emergency generator software from a bake sale or something. Monarch Butterflies are not endangered. Seems many media do not factcheck their stories.

Monarch Butterfly - least concern
https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/159971/806727
I could say the same thing about right wing supporters. That LUCN assessment was done in 2021, this year they are 3 step beyond "least concern"
The migratory monarch butterfly (Danaus plexippus plexippus), known for its spectacular annual journey of up to 4,000 kilometres across the Americas, has entered the IUCN Red List of Threatened SpeciesTM as Endangered, threatened by habitat destruction and climate change.
https://www.iucn.nl/en/news/iucn-red-li ... ndangered/
There are many populations of Monarchs all over the world. You'll have to wait for the next official assessment which is the official designation. The IUCN has taken the activist approach of calling a genetically identical subspecies group D. p. plexippus of migratory Monarchs endangered due to their specific & dangerous migratory path. Very few subspecies migrate and this subspecies is in danger of not migrating. They are considered a subspecies due to their behaviour, not genetics.


Monarchs, like coral, bounce back.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/06/08/ ... ly-update/

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Just a side-note, wind turbines also kill bugs, including butterflies.

https://conbio.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/ ... 20turbines


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Don’t ya just wish that the peeps running around picking up and/or photographing all the wind-turbine killings would publish a study or two?
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Catsumi wrote: Jul 23rd, 2022, 8:26 pm Don’t ya just wish that the peeps running around picking up and/or photographing all the wind-turbine killings would publish a study or two?
It’s been done. Here are a few studies. I suppose everything under the sun is funded. Not sure how many such studies there are. There are lots of studies on eating insects since that is what the UN wants everyone to do.

https://conbio.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/ ... 20turbines

The problem with dead insects, is that it attracts all sorts of other insects and birds, etc. In Germany alone, a study estimates 1200 tons of insects a year perish.

https://docs.wind-watch.org/Interferen ... -Parks.pdf


Obviously wind turbines will destroy the planet long before warm weather will.
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From link ^^^
3 HOW MANY INSECTS ARE KILLED BY WIND TURBINES?

Studies dealing with the question of how many insects are killed by wind turbines are difficult based on the reasons mentioned in the previous section. In a first pilot study conducted by the German Aerospace Center, Trieb and colleagues estimated for Germany's 30,000 onshore wind turbines that about 1,200 t of insect biomass is lost due to collisions with wind turbines during the plant growth period (April–October) (Trieb, 2018; Trieb, Gerz, & Geiger, 2018). Assuming an average wet mass of 1 mg for an insect (Hu et al., 2016), this equates to about 1.2 trillion insects killed per year for all onshore wind turbines in Germany, or 40 million insects killed annually by a single wind turbine in Germany. It is important to note here that these estimates are sensitive to deviations from model assumptions, and thus they certainly require further confirmation based on robust empirical data. For example, these estimates may vary largely across regions, depend on the composition of local insect assemblages and on the relevance of insect migration in a specific region. Nonetheless, the postulated numbers hint at the magnitude at which insect fatalities might occur at wind turbines in the temperate zone. It is likely that this situation is aggravated in regions with a higher abundance of aerial invertebrates compared with Germany
There’s lots more in the link.

What a farce this carbon reduction exercise is and what horrible damage and death to birds and insects. Pitiable.
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I was looking in my back yard this morning and saw several Monarch butterflies flitting around the bushes. I went out to talk to them and told them that they being in plain sight was "not helping the alarmist narrative that they are rapidly dying off" but they didn't seem interested. I also wanted to ask them if they'd experienced between a "22 to 72% reduction" in their numbers over the past 10 years, but they also didn't seem interested in that either. No wonder they are dying off! They have no interest in hearing insane non-science-based theories predicting their own imminent demise due to an evil genie that lives in the sky. Stupid Monarchs.
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captkirkcanada wrote: Jul 23rd, 2022, 4:16 pm restoration of waterways is a part of fixing climate change

https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... th-the-ONA
How do you "fix" something that doesn't exist?
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Catsumi wrote: Jul 23rd, 2022, 8:26 pm Don’t ya just wish that the peeps running around picking up and/or photographing all the wind-turbine killings would publish a study or two?
Do people understand that NOTHING is risk free? You can't eliminate risk, you can only reduce it. Don't you wish peeps could grasp that concept?
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JLives wrote: Jul 24th, 2022, 11:16 am
Catsumi wrote: Jul 23rd, 2022, 8:26 pm Don’t ya just wish that the peeps running around picking up and/or photographing all the wind-turbine killings would publish a study or two?
Do people understand that NOTHING is risk free? You can't eliminate risk, you can only reduce it. Don't you wish peeps could grasp that concept?
Hmm, sounds like the most dangerous forms of power generation should be abandoned due to higher risk. Wind turbines kill or maim hundreds of people every year, hundreds of thousands of bats, tons of insects, all species and sizes of birds endangered or not, cause disrupting underwater noise and above ground noise, only work with specific wind velocities, make power twice as expensive, while digging up and disturbing the ecology of large land swaths, while barely generating much power and still requiring fossil fuel backup and large plots of land to dump all the non-recyclable waste from their short and expensive lifespans.

I think your idea is great, get rid of ridiculous, unclean turbines.

Countries like France have far fewer renewables than Germany, plus electric costs are less than half, and France is cleaner.
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Jlabute wrote: Jul 24th, 2022, 12:33 pm
JLives wrote: Jul 24th, 2022, 11:16 am

Do people understand that NOTHING is risk free? You can't eliminate risk, you can only reduce it. Don't you wish peeps could grasp that concept?
Hmm, sounds like the most dangerous forms of power generation should be abandoned due to higher risk. Wind turbines kill or maim hundreds of people every year, hundreds of thousands of bats, tons of insects, all species and sizes of birds endangered or not, cause disrupting underwater noise and above ground noise, only work with specific wind velocities, make power twice as expensive, while digging up and disturbing the ecology of large land swaths, while barely generating much power and still requiring fossil fuel backup and large plots of land to dump all the non-recyclable waste from their short and expensive lifespans.

I think your idea is great, get rid of ridiculous, unclean turbines.

Countries like France have far fewer renewables than Germany, plus electric costs are less than half, and France is cleaner.
And fossil fuels kill our entire climate. Sorry birds.
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JLives wrote: Jul 24th, 2022, 11:16 am
Catsumi wrote: Jul 23rd, 2022, 8:26 pm Don’t ya just wish that the peeps running around picking up and/or photographing all the wind-turbine killings would publish a study or two?
Do people understand that NOTHING is risk free? You can't eliminate risk, you can only reduce it. Don't you wish peeps could grasp that concept?
Risk is only half of the equation. There's also return. In the case of wind turbines, there is almost zero return. So in this case, you have a situation with tons of risk, and almost zero return; and that's why wind turbines just plain suck.
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JLives wrote: Jul 24th, 2022, 1:05 pm

And fossil fuels kill our entire climate. Sorry birds.
No they don't. Sorry birds, you are dying in vain, all to please gullible fools who believe in some sort of evil sky genie. It is to weep, you shouldn't have to die like this, all for nothing.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Jul 24th, 2022, 1:22 pm
JLives wrote: Jul 24th, 2022, 11:16 am

Do people understand that NOTHING is risk free? You can't eliminate risk, you can only reduce it. Don't you wish peeps could grasp that concept?
Risk is only half of the equation. There's also return. In the case of wind turbines, there is almost zero return. So in this case, you have a situation with tons of risk, and almost zero return; and that's why wind turbines just plain suck.
When we're talking about climate money is last on the list of priorities. Dead last. Clean air matters. Clean water matters. Having a climate we can grow food in matters. We can't eat money. So we need to look at other ways to produce clean energy while also managing other risks. It's not black and white but it does matter. We've put far too much emphasis on return and not nearly enough on risk.
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