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foenix wrote: Oct 12th, 2023, 1:12 pm
I'm thinking at $400/hr, she would have made a lot of money being the shill of the fossil fuel industry and those coal loving Republicans.
Net worth is not your take home pay and everyone's net worth typically increases as they age. She had a 6 digit income at university, and your information is not credible as usual.

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The Guardian lamenting the fact that New Zealand politicians aren't paying enough respects to the "Climate Crisis" (lol lol) as the failed loser globalist Jacinda Ardern. Boo hoo Guardian losers - New Zealand is waking up from their horrible "Klimate Kook" nightmare, as is the rest of the world....
‘Shocking silence’ over climate crisis in New Zealand election campaign draws criticism

In the lead up to New Zealand’s 2017 election, Jacinda Ardern, the then soon-to-be prime minister, called the climate emergency her generation’s “nuclear-free moment” – a reference to the bold stance the country took against nuclear power.

Her comments signalled renewed urgency in shaping New Zealand’s response to combatting one of the globe’s greatest existential threats. But six years on, with the country’s general election just days away, the climate emergency has been sidelined against discussions of crime, “co-governance” and the cost of living.

“There is a real disappointing lack of leadership across the political spectrum in response to [climate change],” said Nicola Toki, the chief executive of Forest & Bird – one of the country’s leading conservation organisations.

Related: New Zealand’s crisis-hit farmers feel the gloom, potentially putting climate action in jeopardy

While each party has released environmental policies, questions and meaningful debate about the climate emergency have either been conspicuously absent or reduced to a few comments in many of the major televised leadership debates.

“We had a leadership debate a few weeks ago where there was not one reference to climate, yet Southland was being flooded and there were two significant wildfires through the eastern South Island,” Toki said. “It’s a bit terrifying we are not connecting the dots.”
On Wednesday, the ministry for the environment and Stats NZ released its latest report on New Zealand’s atmosphere and climate, which paints a bleak picture for the country’s biodiversity, glaciers, weather patterns, oceans and economy.

The three-yearly update provides further evidence that greenhouse gas emissions from human activities are putting pressure on the country’s climate.

“We are experiencing variations in rainfall patterns, more frequent medium-term droughts, ocean warming to record levels, and glacial ice retreat,” the report said.

“Sea levels around parts of Aotearoa have risen twice as fast in the past 60 years as they did in the first half of the 20th century. Extreme weather events are increasing in frequency and severity, causing loss and damage to nature and people.”

In February, the country experienced how devastating extreme weather can be, after Cyclone Gabrielle wreaked havoc across parts of the North Island. Despite being considered New Zealand’s worst storm this century – killing 11 people - it has garnered few mentions on the campaign trail.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/sh ... 7a33&ei=17

Oh no - "the worst storm this century!!!" - these idiots never stop using Orwellian language to sell this stupid fraud.
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Jlabute wrote: Oct 12th, 2023, 12:02 pm
foenix wrote: Oct 12th, 2023, 11:11 am
Yup, real credible. She's definitely found her well compensated niche.
As I said, you have no clue. She is making half now than what she was in university as a climate kook. She's been on both sides. What don't you actually watch her video where she tells the story.
I don't know what Judith Curry's net worth has to do with anything. I won't watch her videos because she plays a game of garden variety neo-skepticism. She bounces between argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad consequentiam in such a way that some people don't even realize she's saying global warming is happening and greenhouse gases are contributing to it.

Anyways, while I have your attention.

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(Weird, it's almost as if sciencey things work and warmer air does hold more moisture- until it doesn't.)

So, isn't it going to be interesting if everything continues trending like this into next year and we all find out Michael Mann is an optimist?

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Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 13th, 2023, 12:39 am

So, isn't it going to be interesting if everything continues trending like this into next year and we all find out Michael Mann is an optimist?

:smt045
MIchael "Hide the Decline" Mann? Who cares about what that imbecilic clown thinks.

In other climate news - a nun goes ballistic on a Klimate kook and kicks his lunatic butt....
Nun gets down and dirty with climate protester who wants to block pilgrim centre

A Catholic nun has been filmed grabbing a climate activist and throwing him to the ground during a green demonstration in a French town.

Protesters were gathering in the Bourges Valley village of Saint-Pierre-de-Colombier, in the southern Ardèche département, to try and stop plans to build a pilgrim centre.

The dispute saw the environmentalists go head-to-head with the Famille Missionnaire de Notre-Dame (Missionary Family of Our Lady), a community considered by the French authorities to be a possible cult.

Earlier this week, nuns from the missionary group formed a human chain around a digger to prevent the activists from chaining themselves to it.

However, the clash turned physical when one of the nuns sprinted across a muddy field to tackle a protester who appeared to be carrying two plastic pipes.

She was captured grabbing the man’s arm and clinging on, knocking him off balance and bringing them both toppling into the dirt.

Sylvain Hérenguel, co-president of the protest group, told broadcaster France 3: ‘I didn’t expect that.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/nu ... 4cd6&ei=12

PS - found it funny that these lunatic Klimate losers are acting stupidly, and yet it's the nuns who apparently are "in a cult". Nope. When you are claiming the world is going to end due to some "klimate krisis" then it's you who is in a cult.
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Haha…cheers for the Nuns!!

Who’d have thought at least one of them could take a tackle-down right to the mud?
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A bomb-shell report showing how climate scientists and journals deliberately ignore the truth in order to get published. "Non-denier" climate scientist Patrick T Brown publicly admits he left out the full truth in his peer reviewed paper on California wildfires in order to get published. The scientists are expected to align with pre-approved narratives by journal editors such as Nature.

Journals are in damage control mode.
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https://phys.org/news/2023-09-scientist ... imate.html


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Also Patrick T. Brown...

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Brown didn't "leave out the full truth", instead he focused his paper on climate related drivers knowing full well there are other issues at play. In his peer review, he received some feedback suggesting this was a weakness, however he wanted to be published and it's hard to look at the nuanced picture and some paths forward when knuckle draggers are glomming onto any out of context paragraph they can, to try and deny climate change is a real problem we're faced with today.


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Climate change itself is interesting. Unless you were in Acapulco for the last 30 hours, then it might have been a little terrifying. (Surprise!)

Here's how much the forecast models missed the mark.

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Why would you build for a Cat 5 hurricane in an area that typically doesn't get hit by hurricanes?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1717186493549027646

https://twitter.com/i/status/1717268663663751597

Of course, a few of you aren't going to want to know the answer to that, and that's fine.
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Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 25th, 2023, 11:30 am
Climate change itself is interesting. Unless you were in Acapulco for the last 30 hours, then it might have been a little terrifying. (Surprise!)

Here's how much the forecast models missed the mark.


Why would you build for a Cat 5 hurricane in an area that typically doesn't get hit by hurricanes?


Of course, a few of you aren't going to want to know the answer to that, and that's fine.

So the moral of the story is: climate models are useless so don't be a climate alarmist.
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77TA wrote: Oct 25th, 2023, 3:07 pm
Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 25th, 2023, 11:30 am
Climate change itself is interesting. Unless you were in Acapulco for the last 30 hours, then it might have been a little terrifying. (Surprise!)

Here's how much the forecast models missed the mark.


Why would you build for a Cat 5 hurricane in an area that typically doesn't get hit by hurricanes?


Of course, a few of you aren't going to want to know the answer to that, and that's fine.

So the moral of the story is: climate models are useless so don't be a climate alarmist.
Nope, that's not the moral to the story at all. Weather models become less efficacious with climate change. Climate models are proving out to be right on the mark, if not slightly behind the curve - at least in the interim.

So, keep your head up (and out of the sand) because things are "interesting". That would be my advice. Nothing to get alarmed about, those days are long past.

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Fun Fact: If CO2 from Canadian Wildfires were a country, it would be the 5th largest producer of CO2 emissions on the planet, just behind Russia. On an average year wildfires in Canada produce about 290 MtCO₂/year. This year, wildfires in Canada produced 1,740 MtCO₂ (CAMS estimate to date.)

Good thing we don't count it.

Contemporary climate observations put another way...

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Global SSTA and Global 2m temps have settled into a mediocre 3σ range... it's like we all just won the lottery.

Exciting times - really. :smt045

A category 5 hurricane in the eastern Pacific. Can't say I saw that coming, but neither can anyone else.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1717449479639462138
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Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 25th, 2023, 3:17 pm
Nope, that's not the moral to the story at all. Weather models become less efficacious with climate change. Climate models are proving out to be right on the mark, if not slightly behind the curve - at least in the interim.

So, keep your head up (and out of the sand) because things are "interesting". That would be my advice. Nothing to get alarmed about, those days are long past.


Fun Fact: If CO2 from Canadian Wildfires were a country, it would be the 5th largest producer of CO2 emissions on the planet, just behind Russia. On an average year wildfires in Canada produce about 290 MtCO₂/year. This year, wildfires in Canada produced 1,740 MtCO₂ (CAMS estimate to date.)

Good thing we don't count it.

Contemporary climate observations put another way...

Global SSTA and Global 2m temps have settled into a mediocre 3σ range... it's like we all just won the lottery.

Exciting times - really. :smt045

A category 5 hurricane in the eastern Pacific. Can't say I saw that coming, but neither can anyone else.
The moral of the story is people will lie for fame and money and journals less likely scrutinize the PC narrative. Saying that, Patrick Brown disagrees with the IPCC in regards to amount of warming man is responsible for. He has a lot to apologize for. 100% LOL. Very few climate scientists believe man is responsible for 100% of the warming. He is in a fractional percent club.

The weather is always exciting because it is complex and random but relatively meaningless :-) Weather models are useless if you are going out further than a week, and that has nothing to do with climate change which is the study of why the atmospheric temperature has increased about 0.1C per decade.

Outliers always occur. Climate normals are based on 30 year averages and not what happened while you were in the shower. This thread is about climate.

Fun fact, CO2 increases are responsible for a tiny amount of warming only as 80% of what CO2 is capable of has already been done in the first 20ppm.


Even tornados in the USA are decreasing and do not correlate to atmospheric CO2 or the number of people crying an atmospheric river. CO2 correlation to anything is weak.


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Hurricanes and 'atmospheric rivers' are not getting worse either. Maybe you should use much more frightening terms and that will prove it?

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Jlabute wrote: Oct 26th, 2023, 6:08 am Hurricanes and 'atmospheric rivers' are not getting worse either. Maybe you should use much more frightening terms and that will prove it?

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You are nothing if not consistent. How exactly, oh heck I'll accept even a spit-balled rough ball park attempt, does a chart of Global Major Hurricane Frequency show "hurricanes and atmospheric rivers are not getting worse"?

Usually, the game goes something like this...

I say climate change is leading to more extreme weather and you search the internet high and low until you can come up with a chart that suggests less extreme weather events. It's really not as amusing as you seem to think it is, but...

In this particular case, you've picked a chart that is basically meaningless (As the creator of the chart showed in great detail) and ascribed a value of intensity to frequency. I hope, in real life you understand that's kind of ridiculous.

Global Major Hurricane Frequency = garbage data, or noise, because *drumroll please* in terms of hurricanes, the Pacific Basin and the Atlantic Basin are anti-correlated. Simple terms, usually if one basin is active, the other is quiet. You know El Niño & La Niña, AMO & PDO, SST and SSTA, wind sheer, humidity, temperature...etc.
The weather is always exciting because it is complex and random but relatively meaningless :-)
Yes, I'm sure it must seem like that to you.
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Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 26th, 2023, 12:54 pm
I say climate change is leading to more extreme weather and you search the internet high and low until you can come up with a chart that suggests less extreme weather events. It's really not as amusing as you seem to think it is, but...
Well, climate change does not lead to more hurricanes or tornados or fires and the (anti)science of climate attribution for weather is junk best. You have never provided any evidence that a long-term changing climate makes weather increasingly more intense from year after year. Plenty of articles dispute attribution science which is done with *drum roll*, junk models. All attributions are junk because of enormous uncertainty from models that can't even portray climate, let alone localized weather form climate.
Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 26th, 2023, 12:54 pm
In this particular case, you've picked a chart that is basically meaningless (As the creator of the chart showed in great detail) and ascribed a value of intensity to frequency. I hope, in real life you understand that's kind of ridiculous.

Global Major Hurricane Frequency = garbage data, or noise, because *drumroll please* in terms of hurricanes, the Pacific Basin and the Atlantic Basin are anti-correlated. Simple terms, usually if one basin is active, the other is quiet. You know El Niño & La Niña, AMO & PDO, SST and SSTA, wind sheer, humidity, temperature...etc.
The chart is not meaningless and no one is correlating Pacific to Atlantic. It does show yearly cumulative occurrences of major hurricanes/all hurricanes has decreased or remaining relatively stable and do not correlate to anything man has control over. Giving an example of one hurricane or an outlier is meaningless no matter what strength or location. You don't know what is normal over a period of hundreds or thousands of years.

Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 26th, 2023, 12:54 pm
A category 5 hurricane in the eastern Pacific. Can't say I saw that coming, but neither can anyone else.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1717449479639462138
Right, you didn't, I didn't, no weather attribution model or anything ever saw it coming.
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Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 26th, 2023, 12:54 pm

I say climate change is leading to more extreme weather
Except that it isn't, actually. This is alarmist nonsense.
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More intense ≠ more. Until you understand that, it's going to be very hard to discuss anything with you. Your position seems to be impervious to facts and your go to argument after being called out on your continual displays of completely out of context climate tidbits is "junk science".

[icon_lol2.gif] I'm sorry, I just can't engage. I explained it once, if you took the time to track back the source of your chart, you could see how he explains it is meaningless because of the inverse correlation between active basins, but you seem to have convinced yourself you know better and I'm not here to convince you of anything otherwise.

Globally, there doesn't seem to be more hurricanes, so that means there isn't more intensity to atmospheric rivers and hurricanes.

I understand your position on it and you don't need to explain it to me anymore. In fact, I'd appreciate it if you could save me the eyerolls. [icon_lol2.gif]

I'm interested in Climate Change. In your mind it doesn't exist and the science is junk. I don't see that we have anything to discuss. As I said quite clearly when I dragged this topic up from the basement about 5 months ago, if you know, you know - and if you don't carry on bravely. I really don't care.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Oct 26th, 2023, 1:52 pm
Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 26th, 2023, 12:54 pm

I say climate change is leading to more extreme weather
Except that it isn't, actually. This is alarmist nonsense.
Alarmist? There's nothing to be alarmed about. I think you've mistaken me for someone interested in saving the world. That's not me at this point in my life. I'm far more into the sit back, enjoy the ride camp. :smt045

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