Climate Change Mega Thread

[SAILINGONE]

Smoking causes cancer, but if someone who smokes you cannot say the smoking caused the cancer. You can only say that may have.

Same goes for extreme heat and climate change. A warmer planet means more extreme heat events and fewer extreme cold events. But you cannot know which events did or didn't happen because of climate change.

And fire is even more complex than heat in its relationship to climate change.

see topic Liberal's climate $cience =FAILURE

[Glacier]

Weather is not climate. Anyone who tries to say that an event that happened this year or last year is because of climate change is a lying hypocritical science denying scumbag.

Discussing changes in the climate without a graph showing exactly how it is changing over time is called anecdotal evidence, which is the opposite of science.

[Jlabute]

Weather is not climate. Anyone who tries to say that an event that happened this year or last year is because of climate change is a lying hypocritical science denying scumbag.

Discussing changes in the climate without a graph showing exactly how it is changing over time is called anecdotal evidence, which is the opposite of science.

Right! Climate change deals with 30 year averages. A chaotic complex system rarely has simple explanations for any given event.

As per the link, there are those that would claim:

The warmer the tropical sea the more severe tropical storms, called hurricanes over the Atlantic or typhoons over the Pacific.

Such claims are rarely true.

https://notrickszone.com/2024/01/28/sim ... te-system/



Another interesting observation is hurricane activity appears to be linked to sunspot activity.

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https://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2012/517962/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/01/25/ ... -sunspots/

[Jlabute]

Fascinating new video with Dr. Peter Ridd. The GBR is in perfect health.

[The Green Barbarian]

Fascinating new video with Dr. Peter Ridd. The GBR is in perfect health.

are you sure? I thought I saw Al Gore post a picture of a dead polar bear floating over a bunch of bleached dying white coral....hmmm....

[Jlabute]

Fascinating new video with Dr. Peter Ridd. The GBR is in perfect health.

are you sure? I thought I saw Al Gore post a picture of a dead polar bear floating over a bunch of bleached dying white coral....hmmm....

So many of those pictures are amateur and poorly color corrected. Hard to say what Al Gore saw. ;-) He very well could have imagined the whole thing or was wearing his bleached contact lenses.



https://jennifermarohasy.com/2021/09/bl ... -distance/

[rustled]

Fascinating new video with Dr. Peter Ridd. The GBR is in perfect health.

Thanks for posting this. He makes some very interesting points about the negative impacts and consequences of "peer review" - and the responsibilities of older people who can afford to speak up.

[Jlabute]

Thanks for posting this. He makes some very interesting points about the negative impacts and consequences of "peer review" - and the responsibilities of older people who can afford to speak up.

I respect him for that. Interesting that Government blames farming for nitrogen run-off even when it is imaginary or measurably insignificant. Amazing how ill-informed the Government wants to be. Nothing is actually wrong with the Great Barrier Reef. At some point the false narratives have to crash.

[rustled]

Thanks for posting this. He makes some very interesting points about the negative impacts and consequences of "peer review" - and the responsibilities of older people who can afford to speak up.

I respect him for that. Interesting that Government blames farming for nitrogen run-off even when it is imaginary or measurably insignificant. Amazing how ill-informed the Government wants to be. Nothing is actually wrong with the Great Barrier Reef. At some point the false narratives have to crash.

Hopefully they're starting to topple. His point about people who can't risk getting on the wrong side of these false narratives is quite valid - it's career-ending to speak the truth when the truth doesn't support the false narrative.

Time for people who can risk it to start speaking up more forcefully.

[rustled]

are you sure? I thought I saw Al Gore post a picture of a dead polar bear floating over a bunch of bleached dying white coral....hmmm....

So many of those pictures are amateur and poorly color corrected. Hard to say what Al Gore saw. ;-) He very well could have imagined the whole thing or was wearing his bleached contact lenses.



https://jennifermarohasy.com/2021/09/bl ... -distance/

Interesting read. Here's more from her:

In a secular society that is a democracy, government policies would be based on evidence. Governments might rely on scientists to provide this information, and citizens would expect journalists to be a little sceptical of everyone and to honestly report corruption especially of the evidence so critical to good policy.

None of this happens anymore. Not at all. Not where I live, in Australia. Rather our society is increasingly conformist and corporatist, with legitimacy and authority held by special interest groups with decisions made through constant negotiations between these groups and government. Meanwhile many scientist just make it up; their peer-review publications are as good as fiction. It doesn’t matter whether the issue is Covid, the state of the Great Barrier Reef or the historical temperature record.

https://jennifermarohasy.com/

[Drip_Torch]

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[Glacier]

Huh, almost seems like you forgot to attach a graph to that statement. Anyways, here's one in the spirit of Groundhog Day that's sure to trigger the backfire effect. (aka: conceptual conservatism)

I have no idea what the backfire effect is, but if you think that extreme cold is getting more common you are totally out to lunch. I don't think you are one of these pics of people though unlike others on here and elsewhere.

Extreme heat is getting more common for sure, because the average temperature is going up so the very extreme parts on the high end become much much more common.

I appreciate the nice groundhog graph.

The best we can say is that extreme heat that would have been 1 in 1000 is now 1 and 100, but we don't know what would have happened in a different scenario. That one in a thousand could have happened at the same time . The atmosphere is very complex

[Drip_Torch]

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[PoplarSoul]

I'm a charts and data kind of guy saying there's a trend that's undeniable.

It's undeniable and many rejects charts and data only because they don't like the many ways the government wants to deal with climate change.
Thanks for your input. Always interesting.

[Jlabute]

I'm a charts and data kind of guy saying there's a trend that's undeniable.

It's undeniable and many rejects charts and data only because they don't like the many ways the government wants to deal with climate change.
Thanks for your input. Always interesting.

No. Many charts which are based on models are rejected because they exhibit multiple times more warming than observation. Canadian models are among the worst which have a higher climate sensitivity than that of the IPCC maximum. So why would anyone trust Canada’s climate predictions let alone use it for policy. The IPCC expects relatively high climate sensitivities but as time goes on, many scientific studies are finding lower and lower climate sensitivities, lower than IPCC minimum. Climate very well may be mostly natural and no Gov policy can or should change what is natural warming. The IPCC is a political organization. It is not a coincidence that the majority of models show more warming than what is measured. Also, noaa climate data shows slightly more warming than satellites which is an unknown, possible poorly situated ground stations and/or UHI.

Another problem with ‘the chart’ is that climate is based on 30 year averages. The government in their eternally and perpetually wrong liberal wisdom have no clue.

As for the GBR, coral loves warmer waters and grows more quickly. By far the most disastrous effects on coral are from cyclones and starfish. Not man, or warming. I suppose you hadn’t watched the video?