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NASA's Gavin Schmidt says: "Climate models can’t explain 2023’s huge heat anomaly — we could be in uncharted territory". There is just not enough data. They have no clue. The recent ocean warming has left the CO2ists perpluxed and pezzled. Models do not describe what is happening, nor does a CO2ists theories.


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00816-z
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Jlabute wrote: Apr 10th, 2024, 7:17 pm NASA's Gavin Schmidt says: "Climate models can’t explain 2023’s huge heat anomaly — we could be in uncharted territory". There is just not enough data. They have no clue. The recent ocean warming has left the CO2ists perpluxed and pezzled. Models do not describe what is happening, nor does a CO2ists theories.


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00816-z
What's a CO2ist? [icon_lol2.gif] Is that what they call the person that keeps the pop machine working in restaurants? Or are you so comfortable making up your own scientific assessments you're making up words now too? So in denier-land we've gone from there is no warming, or the warming is so small it doesn't matter, to it's warming way too fast to have anything to do with CO2 - in less than 7 months.

Interesting. I'm claiming a small victory... I've only been putting up charts to say it's warming abnormally fast for 10 months now.

How it's going vs. how it started...
Jlabute wrote: Jun 11th, 2023, 10:50 am
Drip_Torch wrote: Jun 11th, 2023, 12:33 am I'm not saying hit the push bars on the exit, or Alaska is looking nice, but...

Interesting week weather and climate driver wise. If you know, you know. If you don't, frankly I don't care - that's where we're at. SSTA's, 2 meter temps, El Nino signals - all interesting and if you know - it's really worth taking a look at right now.

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(I'm thinking this too shall pass, but Alaska is looking good though.)
You must be referencing the hype about the fires? Thankfully the long-term trend is downward and does not correlate to CO2 so I would assume no one knows, except for maybe a few arsonists. Unless you know otherwise, please share with us how climate is driving what you think you see.

https://www.climatedepot.com/2023/06/09 ... -of-fires/
Drip_Torch wrote: Jun 11th, 2023, 12:33 amNo, I'm not referencing fires at all. I'm talking about climate change indicators and all the pretty nifty tricks the charts have been doing over the last two weeks. I know it's a discussion board and I should be prepared to discuss, but I used it more as a heads up. Aimed at people that are interested in putting their heads up. I guess what I'm attempting to convey is we live in interesting times and folks that are interested should take look at what's going on right now.
I'm willing to cut you some slack on the downward trend you saw happening with wildfires. Let's face it, that crystal ball you were looking at, was already obscured with smoke by the middle of June last year.


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LOL. Despite having made-up the word CO2ist which everyone here understands, even you I bet, it is nothing compared to funnier terms made up by alarmists such as 'climate whiplash'. I can't imagine climate changing quickly enough to injure people's necks. I suppose 30 year averages are too quick for some people. Anyone here experiencing climate whiplash, please raise your hand.

I have not made things up, other than words. A CO2ist would obviously be someone that believes CO2 is the control knob on temperature. There has not been a 'no warming' scenario. It has been a within natural variability scenario and we don't understand climate and there is no visible crisis unlike what the climate industry would want you to believe. Seeing Biden and Trudeau want to sacrifice our countries over something they can't see or measure, and can't understand, it is important to push back against unscientific and unfounded claims.

Temperature had sprung up 0.2C higher to a steady level which is strange according to everyone. CO2 and ocean currents do not explain the quick jump. No one knows if Hunga Tonga explains any of it.

We appreciate the weather reports, and I am sure a self-recognition award in a climate forum is always warranted :-) Although, we really want to know why climate is doing what it is doing and put aside the political and activist hyperbole.
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An interesting interactive site called noaacrappy.

America’s USHCN network, supposedly the best in the world. A detailed examination of the data produced hides the fact that many of the stations are gone, but fictitious readings are created to make it appear the stations still exist.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/data- ... -policies/

These "ghost stations" and there are many such observing stations around the world, are used to fill in the gaps when real stations can be a long distance away. It’s all done with mathematical formulas and computers, but this knowledge is not readily available to the public. Then the weather agencies have the gall to say the data is accurate to a tenth of a degree.


https://noaacrappy.github.io/zombie-map/


It also doesn't speak to the > 50% of stations that are poorly or incorrectly configured.
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Jlabute wrote: Apr 12th, 2024, 9:07 am LOL. Despite having made-up the word CO2ist which everyone here understands, even you I bet, it is nothing compared to funnier terms made up by alarmists such as 'climate whiplash'. I can't imagine climate changing quickly enough to injure people's necks. I suppose 30 year averages are too quick for some people. Anyone here experiencing climate whiplash, please raise your hand.

I have not made things up, other than words. A CO2ist would obviously be someone that believes CO2 is the control knob on temperature. There has not been a 'no warming' scenario. It has been a within natural variability scenario and we don't understand climate and there is no visible crisis unlike what the climate industry would want you to believe. Seeing Biden and Trudeau want to sacrifice our countries over something they can't see or measure, and can't understand, it is important to push back against unscientific and unfounded claims.

Temperature had sprung up 0.2C higher to a steady level which is strange according to everyone. CO2 and ocean currents do not explain the quick jump. No one knows if Hunga Tonga explains any of it.

We appreciate the weather reports, and I am sure a self-recognition award in a climate forum is always warranted :-) Although, we really want to know why climate is doing what it is doing and put aside the political and activist hyperbole.
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"Quick - we need more fearmongering - what are the go-to's we haven't used in a while???"

"Ummm uh....coral bleaching...that seems to scare the gullible...cuz coral bleaching bad...and we can lie and say that it was caused by the man-made climate change myth...and no one will question it!!"

"Good - get it out there to all of our sycophantic non-questioning press sources like the CBC etc, and make sure you use the usual BS terminology like "biggest on record, biggest ever" you know, the standard lingo that will have everyone crapping their pants and teenagers committing suicide...."

"Done chief!"
The world's coral reefs are facing another mass bleaching event — maybe the biggest ever

The world's oceans are experiencing another global mass coral bleaching event because of unprecedented heat, scientists at the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration confirmed.

"This is the fourth time, on record, that coral bleaching has occurred simultaneously within all major ocean basins," said Derek Manzello, ecologist and co-ordinator of NOAA's Coral Reef Watch.

Bleaching — a ghostly discolouration, in stark contrast to vibrant colours found in reefs — can occur when corals are heat-stressed, expelling microscopic algae from within. The longer and hotter it gets, the more likely the corals will die, disrupting fragile ecosystems as well as the lives and livelihoods of people who depend on them.

But the full extent of damage is yet to come. Manzello is seeing an increase in affected reefs every week.

"If that trend continues, this will be the most spatially expansive, global bleaching event on record — in as little as a few weeks, potentially," Manzello warned.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/t ... 252c&ei=32

and when these "warnings" result in no global bleaching, and it's been found to just be more of the usual stupid fearmongering that never comes true, will these fools be fired? Arrested? Jailed? Nope, they'll just move on to the next hoax.
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I also liked the term "unprecedented heat" - do these Klimate Kooks even bother to consider what words mean anymore? Are they trying to say that the earth has never been warmer than it is right now? Cuz that's what "unprecedented" means. Of course, they are so used to never being challenged on anything, that they just don't care any more what anything means.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Apr 15th, 2024, 2:15 pm I also liked the term "unprecedented heat" - do these Klimate Kooks even bother to consider what words mean anymore? Are they trying to say that the earth has never been warmer than it is right now? Cuz that's what "unprecedented" means. Of course, they are so used to never being challenged on anything, that they just don't care any more what anything means.
Klimate Kooks sure love to spread hyperbole, which is misinformation. There is a growing chasm between the false narrative and reality. Eventually it won't be sustainable and it will fall apart as it already is. EV sales are down, renewables projects cancelled, O&G still increasing. Trudeau and Biden are the only ones doubling down on dumb when the people have already spoken. People not wanting to spend more on 'climate' is a fact presented in polls and studies that goes back more than a decade.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Apr 15th, 2024, 11:28 am "Quick - we need more fearmongering - what are the go-to's we haven't used in a while???"

"Ummm uh....coral bleaching...that seems to scare the gullible...cuz coral bleaching bad...and we can lie and say that it was caused by the man-made climate change myth...and no one will question it!!"

"Good - get it out there to all of our sycophantic non-questioning press sources like the CBC etc, and make sure you use the usual BS terminology like "biggest on record, biggest ever" you know, the standard lingo that will have everyone crapping their pants and teenagers committing suicide...."

"Done chief!"
The world's coral reefs are facing another mass bleaching event — maybe the biggest ever

The world's oceans are experiencing another global mass coral bleaching event because of unprecedented heat, scientists at the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration confirmed.

"This is the fourth time, on record, that coral bleaching has occurred simultaneously within all major ocean basins," said Derek Manzello, ecologist and co-ordinator of NOAA's Coral Reef Watch.

Bleaching — a ghostly discolouration, in stark contrast to vibrant colours found in reefs — can occur when corals are heat-stressed, expelling microscopic algae from within. The longer and hotter it gets, the more likely the corals will die, disrupting fragile ecosystems as well as the lives and livelihoods of people who depend on them.

But the full extent of damage is yet to come. Manzello is seeing an increase in affected reefs every week.

"If that trend continues, this will be the most spatially expansive, global bleaching event on record — in as little as a few weeks, potentially," Manzello warned.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/t ... 252c&ei=32

and when these "warnings" result in no global bleaching, and it's been found to just be more of the usual stupid fearmongering that never comes true, will these fools be fired? Arrested? Jailed? Nope, they'll just move on to the next hoax.
I like Dr. Ridd's lessons on corals. I used to think bleaching was a bad thing. Bleaching is a natural zooxanthellae reaction to warming or cooling waters. The waters are always warming or cooling, especially shallow waters and bleaching is a survival mechanism that has existed for 100's of millions of years. It is not new or unprecedented. What we know is coral loves warmer water, and colder water reduces growth. Like tree rings, warmer waters show more coral growth.



https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads ... -Reefs.pdf
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A Russian Temperature Reconstruction challenges the "Hockey Stick".

This reconstruction also was done with Russian tree rings. Interesting to see that there appears to be climatic cycles.

https://notrickszone.com/2024/04/14/com ... years-ago/

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Bjorn Lomborg: Why solar and wind power aren’t winning

We are constantly being told that solar and wind are now the cheapest forms of electricity. Yet governments around the world felt they had to spend US$1.8 trillion on the green transition last year.

Wind and solar only produce power when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing. When they are not, electricity from these sources is infinitely expensive and back-ups are needed. This is why fossil fuels still account for two-thirds of global electricity and why, on current trends, we are a century away from eliminating their use in electricity generation.

Imagine if a solar-driven car were launched tomorrow, running cheaper than a gas vehicle. It sounds great, until you realize it won’t run at night or when it’s overcast. So if you did buy a solar car, you would still need a gas car as back-up. You would have to pay for two cars.

Modern societies need power 24/7. Solar and wind power’s unreliable and intermittent operation involve large, often hidden costs. This is a smaller problem for wealthy countries that already have fossil-power plants and can simply use more of them as backup. But even in wealthy countries it makes electricity more expensive.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Apr 17th, 2024, 11:34 am
Bjorn Lomborg: Why solar and wind power aren’t winning

We are constantly being told that solar and wind are now the cheapest forms of electricity. Yet governments around the world felt they had to spend US$1.8 trillion on the green transition last year.

Wind and solar only produce power when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing. When they are not, electricity from these sources is infinitely expensive and back-ups are needed. This is why fossil fuels still account for two-thirds of global electricity and why, on current trends, we are a century away from eliminating their use in electricity generation.

Imagine if a solar-driven car were launched tomorrow, running cheaper than a gas vehicle. It sounds great, until you realize it won’t run at night or when it’s overcast. So if you did buy a solar car, you would still need a gas car as back-up. You would have to pay for two cars.

Modern societies need power 24/7. Solar and wind power’s unreliable and intermittent operation involve large, often hidden costs. This is a smaller problem for wealthy countries that already have fossil-power plants and can simply use more of them as backup. But even in wealthy countries it makes electricity more expensive.
I really have a distaste for wind and solar. Wind and solar grid battery storage options are enormous and expensive and at this point provide a near negligible amount of backup. Renewables complicate the grid and make it vulnerable. Renewables are ugly as heck.

The worst thing though is the narrow window of usefulness. If your renewables require replacing after 20 years, then the maximum amount of renewables you can build is how much you can build in 20 years. Pretty soon this garbage will be decommissioned at an alarming rate... as fast as it is being built. Renewables are a tremendously polluting method of generating a tiny amount of power.
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This just happened in Alaska:
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https://twitter.com/ClimateDefiance/sta ... 2442415450

Klimate Kook psychopaths attack US Senator Linda Murkowski. These insane imbeciles don't get it - every time you act psychotically in public to push your stupid alarmist lies you lose more and more support. Just such scum.
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Climate Change IS mostly about kooks and the misuse of science. Regular articles tell us that climate change hurts the vulnerable, especially trans-sex workers in Indonesia, and other various woke issues. Climate is the domain of anti-capitalist, neo-marxist media and minorities.

The truth being that climate change in the form of warming protects the vulnerable, as little as it does. Warmer temperatures benefit all life on earth. I wish I could have see what the earth was like outside of an ice-age when it could be up to 13 degrees warmer.


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