Climate Change Mega Thread

[fluffy]

No... there is more to it than you've pointed to... "Just Stop Oil" organizers, for example, are grifters and those that choose to ignore the fact they use oil on a daily basis tells a lot about their followers & supporters, because all the climate activists know deep down inside their cold hearts they cannot survive without oil.

So... yes there is climate change going on, but I believe it is a natural progression. If folks out there say I am a polluter and don't want change... then I say "look in the mirror".

I disagree totally. First off, the "Just Stop Oil" organizers are shortsighted and unrealistic, choosing to ignore that all petro products do not pollute, and they are not nearly strong enough in numbers to be taken seriously. Second, man-made climate change is a proven fact, supported by a vast majority of scientists and academics. Those who resist these facts do so through a combination of wishful thinking and reluctance to deal with the change and cost necessary to deal with an inevitable future.

There is huge money involved in the extraction and sale of fossil fuels intended for burning. Huge. Just think it through.

[rustled]

No... there is more to it than you've pointed to... "Just Stop Oil" organizers, for example, are grifters and those that choose to ignore the fact they use oil on a daily basis tells a lot about their followers & supporters, because all the climate activists know deep down inside their cold hearts they cannot survive without oil.

So... yes there is climate change going on, but I believe it is a natural progression. If folks out there say I am a polluter and don't want change... then I say "look in the mirror".

I disagree totally. First off, the "Just Stop Oil" organizers are shortsighted and unrealistic, choosing to ignore that all petro products do not pollute, and they are not nearly strong enough in numbers to be taken seriously.

We've had pollution regulations for decades. Canada's traditional energy producers have been held to a higher anti-pollution standard than the cradle-to-grave producers of energy preferred by those propping up "sustainable standards" agencies' arbitrary "standards".

Second, man-made climate change is a proven fact, supported by a vast majority of scientists and academics.

In science, facts disproving a theory matter. There have been enough facts disproving the alarmist theory by now, it's impressive anyone still believes it, and those who resist these facts do so through a combination of wishful thinking and reluctance to deal with reality!

There is huge money involved in the extraction and sale of fossil fuels intended for burning. Huge. Just think it through.

Just as there is huge money involved in the climate change alarm industries, sustainability agencies, associated research, AND in selling scary stories to the masses. Huge! Just think it through.

[hozzle]

No... there is more to it than you've pointed to... "Just Stop Oil" organizers, for example, are grifters and those that choose to ignore the fact they use oil on a daily basis tells a lot about their followers & supporters, because all the climate activists know deep down inside their cold hearts they cannot survive without oil.

So... yes there is climate change going on, but I believe it is a natural progression. If folks out there say I am a polluter and don't want change... then I say "look in the mirror".

I disagree totally. First off, the "Just Stop Oil" organizers are shortsighted and unrealistic, choosing to ignore that all petro products do not pollute, and they are not nearly strong enough in numbers to be taken seriously. Second, man-made climate change is a proven fact, supported by a vast majority of scientists and academics. Those who resist these facts do so through a combination of wishful thinking and reluctance to deal with the change and cost necessary to deal with an inevitable future.

There is huge money involved in the extraction and sale of fossil fuels intended for burning. Huge. Just think it through.

I see now how focused some are without looking at the big picture. If "they" or you want to reduce/eliminate the "man-made" climate change then stop everything that has to do with climate change before pointing fingers at others.... if purveyors of "truth" want climate change to stop & tell the world how they made it stop in there little bubble, if they can prove they did then tell the rest of their cohorts. Then we will see how its going for the actors for change.

[Drip_Torch]

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[Jlabute]

Psst...

14 consecutive months.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. Which apparently involves big pictures and truth, just not that big picture...

That's great news. So, in the last 14 months, 14 months have gone by. Since nothing has happened in those 14 months aside from MSM exaggerations and lies to keep the feeling of catastrophe alive, I suppose we really are back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[The Green Barbarian]

Psst...

14 consecutive months.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. Which apparently involves big pictures and truth, just not that big picture...

That's great news. So, in the last 14 months, 14 months have gone by. Since nothing has happened in those 14 months aside from MSM exaggerations and lies to keep the feeling of catastrophe alive, I suppose we really are back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[Jlabute]

A new study shows that between 8000 and 6000 years ago in the Holocene era when ocean temperatures were 4C warmer than today, the Great Barrier Reef grew quicker and sea level was 2M+ higher and rising at 7mm/year. All with little CO2. Yet ANOTHER study that tells us reef health and growth is better in warmer water.
Warmer temperatures are also natural, and the norm.

NTZ blog with link to study. You need to click on the study link so that your web-browser will take you to the study.

https://notrickszone.com/2024/08/19/ear ... y-changes/



Study

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9124001379

[Glacier]

Great Barrier Reef never better

Annual measurements since 1986 show their highest point for 2024

But you won't know because

1) The measuring institute stopped publishing a reef-wide index when things got too good. Instead, their 2024 report, published this week, mostly talk up all the potential problems. Graphic here is best reef-wide estimate given their own data

2) News outlets instead look for a new scare story, which they also found this week when studies show that reef-wide temperatures highest in 400 years, with widespread bleaching

So, they tell us next year, data will look much worse

But remember, there have been five reef-wide bleaching events in the past eight years: 2016, 2017, 2020, 2022 and 2024, yet the outcome of the first four is that the reef now has more coral cover than ever.

Yes, Jan-March temperatures in 2024 are marginally higher (0.06°C higher than the previous max temp in 2022), which two years later led to the highest coral cover ever.

Perhaps it is time we start asking for news that isn't always biased toward gloom

Data and more info: https://x.com/BjornLomborg/status/1809547890576036291 and https://x.com/BjornLomborg/status/1809610575602987236

Temperatures: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07672-x, fig 1f

You can see all the references in my Twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1821893710197432617

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[Jlabute]

Great Barrier Reef never better

Annual measurements since 1986 show their highest point for 2024

But you won't know because

1) The measuring institute stopped publishing a reef-wide index when things got too good. Instead, their 2024 report, published this week, mostly talk up all the potential problems. Graphic here is best reef-wide estimate given their own data

2) News outlets instead look for a new scare story, which they also found this week when studies show that reef-wide temperatures highest in 400 years, with widespread bleaching

So, they tell us next year, data will look much worse

But remember, there have been five reef-wide bleaching events in the past eight years: 2016, 2017, 2020, 2022 and 2024, yet the outcome of the first four is that the reef now has more coral cover than ever.

Yes, Jan-March temperatures in 2024 are marginally higher (0.06°C higher than the previous max temp in 2022), which two years later led to the highest coral cover ever.

Perhaps it is time we start asking for news that isn't always biased toward gloom

Data and more info: https://x.com/BjornLomborg/status/1809547890576036291 and https://x.com/BjornLomborg/status/1809610575602987236

Temperatures: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07672-x, fig 1f

You can see all the references in my Twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1821893710197432617

FB_IMG_1724249279952.jpg

There is a narrative pushed by the Government of Australia in order to control everything from farming to suntanning lotion. Despite amazing scientific work by Dr Ridd and others to indicate sediments from inland have no effect on coral, the Australian Government maintains the idea sediments "significantly" affect coral health.

Their statement is like... sediment has a profound impact but you can't see it. They assume a link exists with no scientific support. Anyone who says there is "a link" make themselves sound like they are guessing.

Sediment has a significant impact on the health of a coral reef, although the link between it and the health of the Reef may not always be obvious.

https://www.reefplan.qld.gov.au/resourc ... ct-the-gbr

What the Australian Government considers as the "biggest threats", are all made up and un-supported. A complete sham. Shame on them. Such unsubstantiated support if any, likely comes from the John Cook Uni. There seems to be significant money in the fake narrative industry.

https://www.reefplan.qld.gov.au/resourc ... to-the-gbr

[liisgo]

Psst...

14 consecutive months.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. Which apparently involves big pictures and truth, just not that big picture...

That's great news. So, in the last 14 months, 14 months have gone by. Since nothing has happened in those 14 months aside from MSM exaggerations and lies to keep the feeling of catastrophe alive, I suppose we really are back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Which is nothing but more exaggerations, lies and drama they can apply to other propaganda's at play.

[Fanboy]

https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/noaa- ... ane-season

"NOAA National Weather Service forecasters at the Climate Prediction Center predict above-normal hurricane activity in the Atlantic basin this year. NOAA’s outlook for the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, which spans from June 1 to November 30, predicts an 85% chance of an above-normal season, a 10% chance of a near-normal season and a 5% chance of a below-normal season."

https://climatediscussionnexus.com/2024 ... zNtNniWPcg

"He cites Colorado State U hurricane expert Philip Klotzbach who says we haven’t had such a long period with no named storms since 1968. "

So they predicted 25 named storms and we have had 5 to date. Yet another climate model that proves climate models are garbage.

[Jlabute]

https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/noaa- ... ane-season

"NOAA National Weather Service forecasters at the Climate Prediction Center predict above-normal hurricane activity in the Atlantic basin this year. NOAA’s outlook for the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, which spans from June 1 to November 30, predicts an 85% chance of an above-normal season, a 10% chance of a near-normal season and a 5% chance of a below-normal season."

https://climatediscussionnexus.com/2024 ... zNtNniWPcg

"He cites Colorado State U hurricane expert Philip Klotzbach who says we haven’t had such a long period with no named storms since 1968. "

So they predicted 25 named storms and we have had 5 to date. Yet another climate model that proves climate models are garbage.

It is quite hilarious and NOAA is wrong most years except when they predict low to normal activity. NOAA is typically wrong 7 out of 10 times. Considering the long term trend, I wonder how NOAA reaches their conclusions. It is at best a form of entertainment. It is not something that seems to be driven by CO2 although the media and bad science wish it was. Same story for cyclones. I hope hurricanes aren’t a necessity like forest fires. Does a more “healthy” climate have more hurricanes? lol. We are currently in a hurricane drought. (I shouldn’t use that word) NOAA could have better luck rolling dice.

https://nationalcenter.org/ncppr/2010/0 ... -the-test/

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[hozzle]

It is quite hilarious and NOAA is wrong most years except when they predict low to normal activity. NOAA is typically wrong 7 out of 10 times. Considering the long term trend, I wonder how NOAA reaches their conclusions. It is at best a form of entertainment. It is not something that seems to be driven by CO2 although the media and bad science wish it was. Same story for cyclones. I hope hurricanes aren’t a necessity like forest fires. Does a more “healthy” climate have more hurricanes? lol. We are currently in a hurricane drought. (I shouldn’t use that word) NOAA could have better luck rolling dice...

Exactly... It is fact that NOAA has been in existence since Oct 3 1970...
... Earth's weather has been around 4.543 billion years (give or take more than a few seconds), relentlessly fluctuating before and during human existence.
I am pretty sure NOAA doesn't have enough data points to make accurate predictions.

[Jlabute]

BREAKING! :: IPCC Data Shows Human Activity Not Causing Global Temperature Rises.

Scientists: 'These findings call for a fundamental reconsideration' of the current man-made climate change narrative

https://scnr.com/article/noaa-data-show ... 42ac1c0002

[77TA]

BREAKING! :: IPCC Data Shows Human Activity Not Causing Global Temperature Rises.

Scientists: 'These findings call for a fundamental reconsideration' of the current man-made climate change narrative

https://scnr.com/article/noaa-data-show ... 42ac1c0002

On no, I sure hope this doesn't affect the carbon tax