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Oh wow... the Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale has tracked wind speeds since, wait for it... 1971 !!!!
What a Rossetta stone of climate change !!!!!!! [icon_lol2.gif]

Wiki also mentions...

"The Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale is used officially only to describe hurricanes that form in the Atlantic Ocean and northern Pacific Ocean east of the International Date Line. Other areas use different scales to label these storms, which are called cyclones or typhoons, depending on the area. These areas (except the JTWC) use three-minute or ten-minute averaged winds to determine the maximum sustained wind speed, creating an important difference which frustrates direct comparison between maximum wind speeds of storms measured using the Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale (usually 14% more intense) and those measured using a ten-minute interval (usually 12% less intense).[3]"

Lack of a long track record and the inherent lack of consistent methods of recording data makes for a great media drama headline, but what does it really mean if there isn't an accurate & consistent comparison. :135:
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Drip_Torch wrote: Sep 27th, 2024, 5:50 pm

Nothing to see here, move along...

Exactly. Nailed it. There is literally nothing to see here. Man made climate change is a myth.
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Drip_Torch wrote: Sep 28th, 2024, 3:31 pm
hozzle wrote: Sep 27th, 2024, 10:32 pm Oh wow... the Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale has tracked wind speeds since, wait for it... 1971 !!!!
What a Rossetta stone of climate change !!!!!!! [icon_lol2.gif]
Ugh huh...
The NOAA National Hurricane Center's revised hurricane database (HURDAT2) contains hurricane track information derived from modern observations as well as historical meteorological data. The International Best Track Archive for Climate Stewardship (IBTrACS) merges HURDAT2 with storm track datasets from agencies around the world to create a global, best track tropical storm database. Data for more than 6000 global tropical cyclones are included in the IBTrACS database, spanning the last 150 years. For each storm, position, sustained winds, and minimum central pressure data points are collected.
https://www.climate.gov/maps-data/datas ... map-viewer
Ya... and like I said before... how long has NOAA been around to hone their skills? Yup, no thanks.
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This is how we get data on hurricanes spanning 150 yrs in the IBTrACS database. It's super accurate because it's based on 'accounts'.
June 25th, 1851: A short but severe storm which passed over Matagorda Bay and was described as the most disastrous experienced there to date. Caused widespread damage at Saluria on Matagorda Island where saltwater contaminated the fresh water cisterns. Wind damage at Port Lavaca was widespread and every wharf destroyed. Indianola suffered damage to waterfront buildings, but the storm tide did not cover the spit of land at Power Horn." Based upon this account, a single-point hurricane is analyzed and added to the best track database. It is quite possible that this hurricane was Category 2 (or stronger) given the sparseness of the population in the region.
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Drip_Torch wrote: Sep 27th, 2024, 5:50 pm It's great to see everyone recycling the climate change "news"!

Den Volokin and Lark ReLlez [icon_lol2.gif] AKA - Ned Nikolov and Karl Zeller. At least they published this garbage under their own names this time. I see nothing much has changed since they initially pushed this in 2016.

Meanwhile in the real world... Helene's landfall as a CAT 4 gives the USA an interesting 8 - CAT 4 or higher landfalls in the last 8 years.

Prior to that period of time, there were... *checks notes*

Oh?!? 8 - CAT4 or higher landfalls in the previous 57 years.

Nothing to see here, move along...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vmgTxb17zgY

(Might I suggest one of the insurance threads as a good and timely read? I'm not one of these big picture guys, but in my view when the insurance industry starts to get tougher, the mortgage industry won't be far behind and then housing gets way more affordable... just not for people that need insurance and a mortgage.)
I guess you missed my post on how far behind this years hurricane season is from what they were predicting hey........
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... hurricanes.
"The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes appears to have nearly doubled in occurrence from 1970 to 2004.[5] It is likely that the increase in Atlantic tropical storm and hurricane frequency is primarily due to improved monitoring"
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So I just read an article on Helene,
It basically blamed the hurricane on climate change.
Now hang on a sec.....
A hurricane happening during hurricane season in hurricane area is caused by climate change?
That seems a little sus.....
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Bigbacardi wrote: Sep 29th, 2024, 6:21 pm So I just read an article on Helene,
It basically blamed the hurricane on climate change.
Now hang on a sec.....
A hurricane happening during hurricane season in hurricane area is caused by climate change?
That seems a little sus.....
Sounds like a CNN and Michael Mann assessment. Anything different is caused by change? lol. I think our current hurricane drought is abnormal and averages over time. A healthy planet would have more hurricanes! How would one argue that when one has no clue.

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Either way, the IPCC (and drip_torch) tells us there is nothing to see here. They are both right as there is no indication that hurricane activity is increasing or decreasing - AR6. Extreme weather may be a concern, but it does not correlate to CO2 or a slightly warming planet.

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Drip_Torch wrote: Sep 29th, 2024, 12:05 am
I'm not sure "missed" is the word I'd use, but sure we'll go with it.
So disregarded because it flies against your narrative?? Is that more apt?
Drip_Torch wrote: Sep 29th, 2024, 12:05 am
There is a distinction between landfall hurricanes vs the overall hurricane basin record. Had you actually read the reference material, listed as [6][7][8][9][10], and not just the Wikipedia summary provided to you, you might have picked up on the fact the landfall record isn't in question; and the studies that statement was based on were directed at the hurricane basin record and published prior to 2011.

2024 minus 8 = 2016.
Or maybe I did read the material......
Your math 2024-6=2016
My math 2016 > 2011
So, that statement was from prior to 2011. And you used 2016 as the defining year. So if " It is likely that the increase in Atlantic tropical storm and hurricane frequency is primarily due to improved monitoring" being based prior to your chosen timeline, then your chosen timeline would fall under those parameters. Which means your post, meant to point out climate change creating more Cat 4 hurricanes in fact just shows that there are more classified Cat 4 hurricanes because monitoring and data collection is that much better now in classifying them. While this is a science based post of yours, it doesn't belong in the climate change thread.
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Fanboy wrote: Sep 30th, 2024, 10:06 am
Or maybe I did read the material......
Your math 2024-6=2016
My math 2016 > 2011
So, that statement was from prior to 2011. And you used 2016 as the defining year. So if " It is likely that the increase in Atlantic tropical storm and hurricane frequency is primarily due to improved monitoring" being based prior to your chosen timeline, then your chosen timeline would fall under those parameters. Which means your post, meant to point out climate change creating more Cat 4 hurricanes in fact just shows that there are more classified Cat 4 hurricanes because monitoring and data collection is that much better now in classifying them. While this is a science based post of yours, it doesn't belong in the climate change thread.
No clue what you are saying. Perhaps you can provide a link to a paper that would make sense.

There is no such metric that assumes 8 years of anything indicates anything that is climate related. Climate is averaged in 30 year periods. No one cherry picks Cat4 hurricanes in the atlantic to indict mankind either. The IPCC doesn't agree with you (and even they are biased) that there is any trend in any direction according to the latest AR6.

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As this thread is primarily a reaction to climate change and how man is responsible, you haven't said anything in regards to how anything relates to CO2. The overall climatic reaction is slightly decreasing globally. How does CO2 do this? Probably relates more to ocean currents than 'climate change'. If hurricanes over land are less common, heck, that is a good thing. No emergency.


https://climatlas.com/tropical/

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Jlabute wrote: Sep 30th, 2024, 11:00 am

No clue what you are saying. Perhaps you can provide a link to a paper that would make sense.
My response wasn't to you, but to Drip.
Reread his posts and mine for the links and context.
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EVs and renewables failing as usual to provide any benefit at extreme cost.

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