A little question about electric cars

[77TA]

Thank you. It's the 'owner reported' battery replacement part that bothers me a little with this "study". Not sure I'd call it a study either being that it's flawed in many ways. There is information there geared towards making people comfortable buying used evs and/or buying new ones without concerns of large financial losses.

I suppose it might help some make decisions if they're on the fence with evs and it's obvious how a current ev owner would be comforted with these types of articles but to me, it mostly shows there's lots of money to be made by gathering data and promoting the ev movement.

[Jlabute]

Thank you. It's the 'owner reported' battery replacement part that bothers me a little with this "study". Not sure I'd call it a study either being that it's flawed in many ways. There is information there geared towards making people comfortable buying used evs and/or buying new ones without concerns of large financial losses.

I suppose it might help some make decisions if they're on the fence with evs and it's obvious how a current ev owner would be comforted with these types of articles but to me, it mostly shows there's lots of money to be made by gathering data and promoting the ev movement.

Certainly. Anyone that can market new or used EVs is a hero. The reasoning for this is ???? not castanet. No one wants used EVs, and that makes selling new EVs that much harder. EVs are expensive anyways, and used EVs have no rebate. People want faster charging, and reliability in all weather and conditions. Used cars are 70% of the auto market. If you can't make it there, you won't make it at all.

Seeing what Hyundai Ioniq owners have been through from seemingly minor damage, I can only imagine that could happen more frequently with more EVs on the road. It didn't seem like much of a study to me as well and you can only do so much with limited data. Maybe the EV sales problem is CBCs fault ;-) Hmmm, probably not, no one watches CBC.

Personally, I resent using VAST public resources to put these things on the road, plus way too much other green blob spending. Ideology put them on the road and mandated them, and common sense will kill the mandates. To some degree, people are waking up and wondering if they should be on the bleeding edge of adoption when so few people want to test the used market. How will people charge their EVs? Always use public charging if they arenot garage owners? Too much of a headache for people that already have worries about groceries and rent.

[LovemyBolt]

My guess is the “study” was done by Liz the math wiz. She could also be totally in left field, who knows. The data is taken from a small car population of recurrent auto vehicles - 15000 of them. She also says it is a challenge since EVs haven’t been around long enough. After-all, 30% of all EVs were sold in 2022.

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research ... eries-last

So then what are your thoughts on Consumer Reports? Says right there in the title - consumer reports.

[LovemyBolt]

Certainly. Anyone that can market new or used EVs is a hero. The reasoning for this is ???? not castanet. No one wants used EVs, and that makes selling new EVs that much harder. EVs are expensive anyways, and used EVs have no rebate. People want faster charging, and reliability in all weather and conditions. Used cars are 70% of the auto market. If you can't make it there, you won't make it at all.

Seeing what Hyundai Ioniq owners have been through from seemingly minor damage, I can only imagine that could happen more frequently with more EVs on the road. It didn't seem like much of a study to me as well and you can only do so much with limited data. Maybe the EV sales problem is CBCs fault ;-) Hmmm, probably not, no one watches CBC.

Personally, I resent using VAST public resources to put these things on the road, plus way too much other green blob spending. Ideology put them on the road and mandated them, and common sense will kill the mandates. To some degree, people are waking up and wondering if they should be on the bleeding edge of adoption when so few people want to test the used market. How will people charge their EVs? Always use public charging if they arenot garage owners? Too much of a headache for people that already have worries about groceries and rent.

-A used EV can save 7% (no PST) on the purchase price when transferring. That even precludes cheaters from cheating on the price.
-Everybody wants faster charging. EV owners just learn to make it work. It's not rocket science.
-My EV is entirely reliable in all weather and conditions.
-See my other comment about Consumer Reports above.
-Some here will be happy to hear I never produced offspring. So I resent VAST public resources going to help parents with children. It's of zero benefit to me other than producing future tax-payers. So there are subsidies and incentives and benefits for all walks of life. Some will use them. Others will not. Corporations are included.
-I always use public charging. I don't have one in my condo. I pay $6 for the maximum allowed session of 4 hours at a city charger. That gives my car almost half a "tank". It's a few minutes walk. I can use the walk. It's no headache at all. Working on getting a charger in the building though so that might change.

[Jlabute]

-A used EV can save 7% (no PST) on the purchase price when transferring. That even precludes cheaters from cheating on the price.
-Everybody wants faster charging. EV owners just learn to make it work. It's not rocket science.
-My EV is entirely reliable in all weather and conditions.
-See my other comment about Consumer Reports above.
-Some here will be happy to hear I never produced offspring. So I resent VAST public resources going to help parents with children. It's of zero benefit to me other than producing future tax-payers. So there are subsidies and incentives and benefits for all walks of life. Some will use them. Others will not. Corporations are included.
-I always use public charging. I don't have one in my condo. I pay $6 for the maximum allowed session of 4 hours at a city charger. That gives my car almost half a "tank". It's a few minutes walk. I can use the walk. It's no headache at all. Working on getting a charger in the building though so that might change.

So, EVs do not charge fast. Yup. This may not be suitable for everyone. Especially if you are highly mobile in some form of business or need to travel far. It isn't rocket science, but it is unnecessary and avoidable.

Many people had problems charging in extreme cold. EVs can also lose 20% of their range in extreme heat, and lose range in extreme cold. I don't need unpredictable problems in a busy schedule. Can't risk it.

Whether or not you have offspring is your choice. I had 5 kids. I am glad some help was there especially when we were young and poor. I see more value in Government helping families that have less, than helping EV owners who have more. Your parents had you and that is not something you should regret. Having a country full of tax payers is great if not patriotic. The green blob infecting Europe and the West is decimating productiveness and is hostile to liquid fuels and nuclear. Their focus is anti-family, anti-capitalism, and anti-social mostly. It is completely unnecessary and rather irrational.

I would expect public charging to continue getting more expensive as it has in other countries. The network is still unreliable since there are more links in the EV technological chain, unlike gas stations. Because of the amount of time required to charge, there needs to be LOTS of charge stations to accomodate more EV owners. Somehow it seems to me that replacing 1.5 billion gas cars with 1.5 billion EVs and 1 billion chargers is not a good environmental choice.

[LovemyBolt]

So, EVs do not charge fast. Yup. This may not be suitable for everyone. Especially if you are highly mobile in some form of business or need to travel far. It isn't rocket science, but it is unnecessary and avoidable.

Many people had problems charging in extreme cold. EVs can also lose 20% of their range in extreme heat, and lose range in extreme cold. I don't need unpredictable problems in a busy schedule. Can't risk it.

Whether or not you have offspring is your choice. I had 5 kids. I am glad some help was there especially when we were young and poor. I see more value in Government helping families that have less, than helping EV owners who have more. Your parents had you and that is not something you should regret. Having a country full of tax payers is great if not patriotic. The green blob infecting Europe and the West is decimating productiveness and is hostile to liquid fuels and nuclear. Their focus is anti-family, anti-capitalism, and anti-social mostly. It is completely unnecessary and rather irrational.

I would expect public charging to continue getting more expensive as it has in other countries. The network is still unreliable since there are more links in the EV technological chain, unlike gas stations. Because of the amount of time required to charge, there needs to be LOTS of charge stations to accomodate more EV owners. Somehow it seems to me that replacing 1.5 billion gas cars with 1.5 billion EVs and 1 billion chargers is not a good environmental choice.

I never said it should be suitable for everyone. As another poster said to paraphrase, to each their own. I can travel far. I stop and charge a bit as I go along. I have to eat. I have to sleep. All time opportunities to charge. No rocket science. Just a little extra time. I agree that maybe those trying to use their EV's all day every day might be more of a challenge. There was an article recently that quoted the Current Taxi guy. He seems to make it work. His vehicles charge up multiple times per day. Seems to be working for his business.

And I was glad to use rebates for buying the EV. Made it that little bit more affordable. Still a lot, but more affordable. Just like having kids. An expensive life choice. How many thousands of dollars did you enjoy overall from tax-payers getting all of your kids to 18 years old. Your seeing value in that is your rather biased judgment. You don't see value in EV rebates. Here we are with different values. Yet both enjoying tax-payer dollars one way or another for our choices in life. What do you know.
?? How would I regret my parents having me ??
lol quiver-full???

Predictions are just that. We'll see.

More links? Electricity is everywhere. Gas has to be transported to stations all the time. Electricity just keeps on flowing.

You said reliable in all weather and conditions. More recent EV's have battery temperature management systems. It takes some power to do that but the car is still driveable. It was more of a challenge in the previous decade but there are plenty of fast chargers along all the routes to hop from one to another to do that travel. No, no cannonball runs. I know I don't do those anymore.