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The Green Barbarian wrote: Jan 29th, 2023, 5:26 pm More eco-hypocrisy. All of these virtue-signaling fools who bought Teslas to "save the planet" now want to give them back because of Elon Musk's recent behavior, and fear of being judged now. Why do you idiots care? Isn't it about "saving the planet?" (TM). Isn't that why you bought a Tesla? Not about how your fellow man judges you? Such stupidity, but we all knew it. These EV driving fools aren't buying these cars because they believe in the man-made climate change hoax, they just want to virtue signal. And now Elon has denied them their warm tummies. Oh boo hoo hoo...
'Elon Musk has made me embarrassed to drive my Tesla now'

When Anne Marie Squeo received her fiery red Tesla sports utility vehicle in 2020, the 55-year-old marketing and communications professional felt like she had joined a special "club" of people who were doing something to help the environment, while still driving with style.

But last year, as Tesla boss Elon Musk shared right-wing conspiracy theories on Twitter, posted a picture of guns by his bedside, and proposed terms to resolve the war in Ukraine that were adamantly rejected by many of the country's top leaders, Anne Marie's satisfaction gave way to shame.

"It's been very depressing, and sometimes embarrassing to be driving this car around," says Anne Marie, a former journalist who lives in Connecticut and wrote an article about her discomfort. "I wondered if people were making a judgement about me that I wasn't looking for."

Once hailed as the secret to Tesla's success, Elon Musk now appears to be one of its biggest problems, as his steady stream of politically charged social media posts alienates key parts of Tesla's customer base, just as increased competition starts to eat away at the firm's dominance of the electric car market.

The value of Tesla shares plunged by roughly two-thirds last year - the biggest decline since the company went public in 2010 - reflecting the worries, as well as concerns about disruptions to production and the effect of high borrowing costs and a weaker economy on demand.

In December, major investors - many of them long-time allies of Mr Musk - went public with their alarm, accusing him of abandoning Tesla after his $44bn (£36.4bn) takeover of Twitter in October and damaging the car company's brand.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64376727
That’s hilarious. Some EV owners are so detached from reality. Partisan leftist built cars are better or some goofy nonsense they have in their head. Maybe they’ll move to an e-Lada
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Jan 29th, 2023, 8:11 pm
spooker wrote: Jan 29th, 2023, 5:41 pm

Seems like we're taking care of both ...
How so?
Self-immolation through climate ...
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Jan 29th, 2023, 8:16 pm
Mark5 wrote: Jul 8th, 2019, 6:25 pm You won`t see this in the mainstream media.


This is the post that started this thread. Have all the alarmist fools out there pushing this fraud found the guts to watch this video?
Thanks for re-posting that, GB. It's worth watching again.
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spooker wrote: Jan 30th, 2023, 8:35 am
The Green Barbarian wrote: Jan 29th, 2023, 8:11 pm

How so?
Self-immolation through climate ...
What kind of alarmist nonsense is this? Nope.
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An interesting exercise was using "AI" to predict trends in climate. In a grand example of Garbage-In, Garbage-Out, AI was trained using climate models, rather than observational data, and it produced worse warming than what the models predict. Models are already worse than observational data. I believe they probably tried training with observational data first and didn't get the results they wanted.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/02/01/ ... r-warming/
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Jlabute wrote: Feb 2nd, 2023, 9:38 am An interesting exercise was using "AI" to predict trends in climate. In a grand example of Garbage-In, Garbage-Out, AI was trained using climate models, rather than observational data, and it produced worse warming than what the models predict. Models are already worse than observational data. I believe they probably tried training with observational data first and didn't get the results they wanted.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/02/01/ ... r-warming/
Of course they did. The scum pushing the man-made climate change fraud can't allow any narrative to be floated out there that doesn't include the apocalyptic angle, or people will stop panicking and simply forget about this made up boogey man. Must have people reaching into their pockets, all the time. I bought a new laptop online yesterday, and laughed out loud when I saw Lenovo wanting me to voluntarily pay an extra $22 for "Carbon Offsets" to my laptop. I had two simultaneous thoughts:

1. Are there really people that stupid out there, that pay $22 for this nonsense? Are they really that dumb? and...

2. How much longer until this $22 screw over on laptop purchases to fund global elitists is no longer a voluntary, but a mandatory payment, just like GST and PST? We already have the disgusting and evil "carbon tax" in Canada that goes toward "fighting" fairy tales. How much longer until the authoritarian grip of the man-made climate change hoaxers forces everyone to bow and pay their stupid tax for nothing?
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A North Vancouver man who collected $2,000 a month to stage illegal Save Old Growth roadblocks was sentenced Thursday in Vancouver Provincial Court to a month of house arrest and a month of curfew.

Benjamin Donald Holt, 53, pleaded guilty in December to being involved in four separate climate-change protests – one on Grandview Highway and Boundary Road on the Burnaby-Vancouver border last April, one on the Upper Levels Highway in West Vancouver last June and two on the Lions Gate Bridge in August and October.

Crown prosecutor Ellen Leno asked for 35 days of jail time and 18 months probation. Holt’s lawyer, former Victoria city councillor Ben Isitt, wanted a conditional discharge.

“He was not merely a rank-and-file member drawn into the movement, he was at the forefront of the protests for which he is now to be sentenced,” Judge Gregory Rideout said in his judgment. “I find that his role within the movement greatly increases his moral culpability.”

Rideout also found it significant that Holt chose to reoffend when he was well aware of his outstanding charges. For instance, Holt made his first court appearance on May 25, a month after climbing a ladder in the Boundary and Grandview intersection, setting off smoke bombs and refusing to come down from the ladder. He was also instrumental in organizing and participating in a roadblock on the highway in West Vancouver on June 14, where he was photographed wearing a suit, cross-legged and smiling as drivers were stuck going nowhere.

“Members of the public were unable to go about their daily activities. Schedules were disrupted, including those attending medical appointments or those travellers planning to catch a ferry from Horseshoe Bay to Nanaimo or elsewhere,” Rideout said. “More importantly, first responders were impeded from performing their duties as a direct result of the blockades. Public safety is of paramount concern when these blockades were established at critical traffic arteries.”

Rideout gave credit to Holt for having no prior criminal record and for preventing a trial by pleading guilty. But he said Holt’s apology to the court rang hollow, particularly by the suggestion that his actions did not undermine the rule of law.

“His letter is more of an explanation for his conduct than a heartfelt and genuine apology to the public, impacted by his involvement in the four protests,” the judge said. “His apology goes no further than to express his sorrow for the inconvenience caused by his protests. I find his actions did not create a mere inconvenience to the public. Rather, his actions created a serious and significant impediment upon the public's ability to go about their business on the roadways of the Vancouver region without disturbance.”

As such, Rideout said there was a pressing need to emphasize general deterrence.

“Clearly the accused is an intelligent man. At all material times he was readily identifiable as an organizer in the Save Old Growth movement. I find he was acutely aware of the charges that he was facing the nature of the court proceedings.”

Rideout said the self-employed web developer and IT specialist, who admitted his law-breaking compromised his marriage, made a “seriously flawed” submission by downplaying two of the protests because they were very brief. In fact, one of them almost turned into a brawl.

“The altercation between the accused and a driver on Aug. 2, 2022 could easily have resulted in a fight taking place with catastrophic results to the accused or to the driver. Other frustrated drivers could get involved in the melee with, again, the potential for more violence,” Rideout said.

On two of the charges, Rideout gave Holt concurrent one-day jail sentences, deemed served by his appearance at the sentencing hearing. On another, Rideout suspended the sentence, but ordered 30 days probation.

He gave Holt a 60-day conditional sentence for the Aug. 2 roadblock, because Holt had vowed after his June 14 arrest to not block or impede traffic or pedestrians on any road or highway. Rideout agreed with Leno that a jail sentence was warranted, but not in an actual jail.

For the first 30 days, Holt must be at his residence seven days a week, except for employment, to meet his sentence supervisor, for a genuine medical emergency or for a three-hour window each Saturday from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. for personal needs.

For the remaining 30 days, Holt is under an 8 p.m. to 6 a.m. daily curfew, with similar conditions as the first 30 days. He must also perform 40 hours of community service work within five months, pay a $500 victim surcharge by the end of May and serve six months probation after his house arrest.

Holt must also refrain from blocking pedestrians or drivers.

As he concluded, Rideout addressed Holt directly, in order to make it “crystal clear” that he fulfill every term of his conditional sentence or spend the remaining time in jail.

“And I mean it, so make sure you take this order seriously,” Rideout said.

Save Old Growth’s website, which has been offline for several days, said the group received funding for recruitment, training, capacity building and education from the California-based Climate Emergency Fund (CEF). Last summer, leader Muhammad Zain Ul Haq told The New York Times that Save Old Growth had received US$170,000.

Haq, a foreign student from Pakistan, pleaded guilty to participating in illegal roadblocks on Jan. 23 and awaits sentencing.
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Who gave this lunatic $2000 to commit anarchy and domestic terrorism? They should have their bank accounts frozen.
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Seven pieces of climate propaganda from January 2023 exposed and debunked. Climate stupidity continues in 2023, mostly from alarmists, and media.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/02/10/ ... 3-edition/
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Jlabute wrote: Feb 10th, 2023, 8:37 am Seven pieces of climate propaganda from January 2023 exposed and debunked. Climate stupidity continues in 2023, mostly from alarmists, and media.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/02/10/ ... 3-edition/
Randomly taking one of the points made, "gas stoves" and saying that nothing they emit is an allergen that would cause asthma misses the fact that asthma is not just related to allergens ...
For some people, asthma signs and symptoms flare up in certain situations:

- Exercise-induced asthma, which may be worse when the air is cold and dry
- Occupational asthma, triggered by workplace irritants such as chemical fumes, gases or dust
- Allergy-induced asthma, triggered by airborne substances, such as pollen, mold spores, cockroach waste, or particles of skin and dried saliva shed by pets (pet dander)
I don't have a lot of time to go through the rest of the fact-checking but I feel that none of them (except the Al Gore statement maybe) would really stand up to scrutiny ...

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... c-20369653
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Atmospheric river been happening for as long as I can remember, only difference is the change in its name. It was formerly known as the Pineapple Express.
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spooker wrote: Feb 10th, 2023, 10:03 am Randomly taking one of the points made, "gas stoves" and saying that nothing they emit is an allergen that would cause asthma misses the fact that asthma is not just related to allergens ...
For some people, asthma signs and symptoms flare up in certain situations:

- Exercise-induced asthma, which may be worse when the air is cold and dry
- Occupational asthma, triggered by workplace irritants such as chemical fumes, gases or dust
- Allergy-induced asthma, triggered by airborne substances, such as pollen, mold spores, cockroach waste, or particles of skin and dried saliva shed by pets (pet dander)
I don't have a lot of time to go through the rest of the fact-checking but I feel that none of them (except the Al Gore statement maybe) would really stand up to scrutiny ...

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... c-20369653
"Fact-checked", "there is nothing emitted by a gas stove that is an allergen". Also, Asthma is first, a genetic condition that you would be predisposed to. Of course, people with Asthma can elect to not go to restaurants, or not own a gas stove, and not use gas heating if they so feel. The whole topic is a red-herring lie to dismiss natural gas completely. NG is properly vented in most homes. The CPSC report is assumed to contain errors and there is a lot of disagreement with it. The report was created by an environmental group called the Rocky Mountain Institute. Needless to say, they are biased.
The criticism (one of many): The key to the finding is the quality of the data they used — and critics say the researchers failed to factor in the findings of the most comprehensive global study on the topic conducted to date.

That would be a report published in 2013 by the International Study of Asthma and Allergies in Childhood, or ISAAC, which utilizes data from more than 512,000 children in 47 different countries. The ISAAC study ultimately concluded there was “no evidence of an association between the use of gas as a cooking fuel and either asthma symptoms or asthma diagnosis.”
Of course, gas stoves have been around for more than 100 years and are continually improving, and no one noticed a problem until the fake CAGW occurred.

Plastics, fabrics, and soaps also emit fumes. The whole gas stove drama is now done with seeing it was based on lies which are now exposed.
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Jlabute wrote: Feb 10th, 2023, 11:50 am "Fact-checked", "there is nothing emitted by a gas stove that is an allergen". Also, Asthma is first, a genetic condition that you would be predisposed to. Of course, people with Asthma can elect to not go to restaurants, or not own a gas stove, and not use gas heating if they so feel. The whole topic is a red-herring lie to dismiss natural gas completely. NG is properly vented in most homes. The CPSC report is assumed to contain errors and there is a lot of disagreement with it. The report was created by an environmental group called the Rocky Mountain Institute. Needless to say, they are biased.
The criticism (one of many): The key to the finding is the quality of the data they used — and critics say the researchers failed to factor in the findings of the most comprehensive global study on the topic conducted to date.

That would be a report published in 2013 by the International Study of Asthma and Allergies in Childhood, or ISAAC, which utilizes data from more than 512,000 children in 47 different countries. The ISAAC study ultimately concluded there was “no evidence of an association between the use of gas as a cooking fuel and either asthma symptoms or asthma diagnosis.”
Of course, gas stoves have been around for more than 100 years and are continually improving, and no one noticed a problem until the fake CAGW occurred.

Plastics, fabrics, and soaps also emit fumes. The whole gas stove drama is now done with seeing it was based on lies which are now exposed.
Isn't it amazing that science keeps moving forward, we're not stuck in 2013 ... though I noticed that the ISAAC study showed a correlation to these ailments and lower socioeconomic states, maybe the people who can't afford to update their stove and/or the ventilation ... and there was another paper written from the ISAAC data that showed eating fast food three or more times a week was linked to childhood asthma ...

And then you've got the Massachusetts Medical Society publishing this ...
A robust body of research has been quietly accumulating for 30 years pointing to the connection between pediatric asthma and natural gas stove use, and that threat last year caught the attention of the Massachusetts Medical Society.
https://www.massmed.org/Publications/Vi ... ic-Asthma/
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spooker wrote: Feb 10th, 2023, 12:42 pm
Jlabute wrote: Feb 10th, 2023, 11:50 am "Fact-checked", "there is nothing emitted by a gas stove that is an allergen". Also, Asthma is first, a genetic condition that you would be predisposed to. Of course, people with Asthma can elect to not go to restaurants, or not own a gas stove, and not use gas heating if they so feel. The whole topic is a red-herring lie to dismiss natural gas completely. NG is properly vented in most homes. The CPSC report is assumed to contain errors and there is a lot of disagreement with it. The report was created by an environmental group called the Rocky Mountain Institute. Needless to say, they are biased.



Of course, gas stoves have been around for more than 100 years and are continually improving, and no one noticed a problem until the fake CAGW occurred.

Plastics, fabrics, and soaps also emit fumes. The whole gas stove drama is now done with seeing it was based on lies which are now exposed.
Isn't it amazing that science keeps moving forward, we're not stuck in 2013 ... though I noticed that the ISAAC study showed a correlation to these ailments and lower socioeconomic states, maybe the people who can't afford to update their stove and/or the ventilation ... and there was another paper written from the ISAAC data that showed eating fast food three or more times a week was linked to childhood asthma ...

And then you've got the Massachusetts Medical Society publishing this ...
A robust body of research has been quietly accumulating for 30 years pointing to the connection between pediatric asthma and natural gas stove use, and that threat last year caught the attention of the Massachusetts Medical Society.
https://www.massmed.org/Publications/Vi ... ic-Asthma/
The reference was from here.
Older data well reported, is still better than a new report using old data, poorly done by a biased environmental group.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli ... tove-study
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Jlabute wrote: Feb 10th, 2023, 1:05 pm
spooker wrote: Feb 10th, 2023, 12:42 pm

Isn't it amazing that science keeps moving forward, we're not stuck in 2013 ... though I noticed that the ISAAC study showed a correlation to these ailments and lower socioeconomic states, maybe the people who can't afford to update their stove and/or the ventilation ... and there was another paper written from the ISAAC data that showed eating fast food three or more times a week was linked to childhood asthma ...

And then you've got the Massachusetts Medical Society publishing this ...



https://www.massmed.org/Publications/Vi ... ic-Asthma/
The reference was from here.
Older data well reported, is still better than a new report using old data, poorly done by a biased environmental group.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli ... tove-study
But how does an opinion of a recent study count as "fact" checking? The original point was that the fact check stated it's position based on "allergens" while ignoring other causes for asthma ... seems like all the answers are just sidestepping
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Jlabute wrote: Feb 10th, 2023, 11:50 am
Of course, gas stoves have been around for more than 100 years and are continually improving, and no one noticed a problem until the fake CAGW occurred.
What is with the foolish man-made climate change freaks?? Why are they hell bent on causing so much pain and suffering in the world, all with no benefit to anyone? Natural gas is awesome, and it's just so freaking dumb that they hate it so much, with zero cause to do so.
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