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This is a bit timely considering . . ..
Labor’s (Australia) attempt to enlist Meta to fight climate activists needs scrutiny – it’s all too likely to succeed

https://www.theguardian.com/world/comme ... to-succeed

So NSW’s premier, Chris Minns, thinks social media platforms like Meta should prevent climate activists from broadcasting their protests.

Scientists tell us that temperatures in the sea and air are spiking; a new study warns about global ecosystems collapsing sooner than predicted. Yet governments everywhere display more determination in suppressing protest than combating warming. As Greta Thunberg notes, “activists all over the world are experiencing increased repressions just for fighting for our present and our future”.

A few weeks ago, for instance, Melbourne Trades Hall rightly honoured Zelda D’Aprano with a statue showing the women’s liberation icon clutching the chains with which she fastened herself to a government building during a 1969 protest for equal pay. Former PM Julia Gillard hailed Zelda’s determination – even though today Labor premiers have used “lock on” stunts to justify jail terms for environmental activists.

Minns’ attempt to enlist Meta in his campaign against climate activism deserves particular scrutiny, not least because it’s all too likely to succeed.

Despite rightwing bleating about the supposed “woke” bias of social media, studies show the opposite. As the researcher Paul Barrett explains, “conservatives … gain the most in terms of engagement and online attention, thanks to the platforms’ systems of algorithmic promotion of content”. Indeed, Facebook has previously shown a willingness to ban leftwing accounts when they might embarrass the powerful.

These days, Meta possesses a tremendous advantage, simply because it’s not Elon Musk’s Twitter. Recent reports suggest the company intends to exploit Musk’s buffoonery with a new platform called Threads, offering what it calls a “sanely run Twitter”.

Yet “sanely run” is a relative term, as Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg proved when he yesterday offered to fight Musk in a cage.

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That’s the context to think about Australia’s eSafety commissioner Julie Inman Grant’s comments about hate speech on Twitter, a platform she correctly dubbed an “absolute bin fire”.

Noting the massive job cuts at Twitter, Inman Grant suggested the site no longer even enforced its own rules on toxic content. While that might be true, the real problems pertain less to those who have departed and more to those who have arrived – in particular, the new owner.

This week Elon Musk declared that Twitter would treat the words cis and cisgender as “slurs”. The announcement came after he proclaimed that deadnaming or misgendering users would not be considered harassment. He also OKed an anti-trans documentary previously flagged as hate speech – and then personally shared the film with his own 144 million followers.


At Twitter, the calls are, as they say, coming from inside the house.

Back in 2018, when Musk described the future of transportation as tunnels with access via street-level stations, he was widely mocked for discovering the subway. Today, we might equally say that, with his $44bn acquisition of Twitter, he has reinvented the first Viscount Rothermere – the newspaper baron notorious for turning the Daily Mail into a mouthpiece for the 20th-century far right.

In that respect, Musk and Zuckerberg have far more in common than either might care to think. Both are wealthy almost beyond imagination; both run their media empires according to arbitrary whims.

That’s why, when it comes to combating the far right online, we should be very careful about what we demand. Calls to ban “extremism” can all too easily provide a pretext for the kind of censorship that Minns seeks.

More than anything, we should be calling for far greater transparency about how moderation decisions get made and by whom. As the planet continues to heat, politicians will go to greater and greater lengths to suppress popular outrage. The more we can force democratisation on media of all types, the better placed we’ll be to fight both climate change and fascism.
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Spiff wrote: Jun 24th, 2023, 8:31 pm

So NSW’s premier, Chris Minns, thinks social media platforms like Meta should prevent climate activists from broadcasting their protests.
LOL - "climate activist" - yet another Orwellian term that means nothing.
The more we can force democratisation on media of all types, the better placed we’ll be to fight both climate change and fascism.
Or in this case, fighting the losers pushing the man-made climate change fraud, and the fascism that they are forcing down everyone's throats.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Jun 25th, 2023, 5:16 pm
Spiff wrote: Jun 24th, 2023, 8:31 pm

So NSW’s premier, Chris Minns, thinks social media platforms like Meta should prevent climate activists from broadcasting their protests.
LOL - "climate activist" - yet another Orwellian term that means nothing.
The more we can force democratisation on media of all types, the better placed we’ll be to fight both climate change and fascism.
Or in this case, fighting the losers pushing the man-made climate change fraud, and the fascism that they are forcing down everyone's throats.
:up: :up:

Climate activists have shown themselves to be uneducated terrorists.

Yup, it is all a fraud pushed by unelected globalists. Fascists who want to take power against the people's will.

Sweden though has opened the door to nuclear power and cheap energy. They tell Britain to follow. The premise of such an urgent call is still wrong.

https://www.netzerowatch.com/sweden-can ... ld-follow/
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This is new, and I got the message. So okay, I'm in if people here want to play ball. But until then there's just one thing . . .. [icon_lol2.gif]

Why focusing on “climate change denial” is counterproductive

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 20opinions.

At the end of September, David Malpass, the president of the World Bank, was heavily criticized after failing to acknowledge anthropogenic climate change [henceforth called climate change (1)]. Although he later apologized for and revised his remarks, they sparked a renewed public debate on the existence of climate change deniers and their impact on our transition toward a more sustainable future (2).

We believe that the dichotomous view of climate change “deniers” and climate change “accepters” is not helpful. This way of framing the debate only stymies our path to a zero-carbon future. It does so for three primary reasons. First, it creates an inaccurate picture by overstating the share and importance of climate change deniers for tackling climate change. Second, a focus on climate denialism divides and polarizes society, further preventing constructive engagement with different opinions. Third, it distracts us from concentrating on the more pressing question: how we should tackle climate change, not if. Once we focus on the how, we can begin to understand that support for different solutions to tackle climate change may be contingent on people’s preference for individual freedom. With this understanding in mind, we can offer a constructive path forward.

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It’s time to give climate “deniers” less attention in the media, in our own private conversations, and in academic discourse. We should instead concentrate on establishing shared responsibility to act on the climate crisis and consider the role of ingrained worldviews on reaching a consensus. Only then will we be able to carry out effective solutions.
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I thought this article was about forest fires but stopped reading when I realized it was really about promoting unknown science as fact.

"The incidents of human-triggered wildfires appears to be going down. Lightning strikes, however, are on the rise.

That’s because human-caused climate change..."

Enjoy the narrative reality deniers.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/43 ... ded#433860
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77TA wrote: Jun 26th, 2023, 6:05 pm I thought this article was about forest fires but stopped reading when I realized it was really about promoting unknown science as fact.

"The incidents of human-triggered wildfires appears to be going down. Lightning strikes, however, are on the rise.

That’s because human-caused climate change..."

Enjoy the narrative reality deniers.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/43 ... ded#433860
Yup, just more massive loads of BS from science deniers pushing the man-made climate change myth, carbon credits, and the idiotic concept of a "zero carbon future" which is literally the dumbest possible idea ever conceived by stupid men.
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A prediction made by James Hansen (the father of global warming) in 1989 said the "Westside Highway" would be under water within 30 years.

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Come 2019, the highway doesn't look any different.

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Couldn't have said it better Piers.
"The western far Left is habitually the most stupid, naive people you can imagine. They come up with these really goofy constructs and it's all about feeling good about yourself."
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“Hypocrite.”

I couldn't have said it better, Piers. :biggrin:

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" . . . worsening . . ." he sees. :smt045

So,

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Tip . . ..

Yeah, get that app. [icon_lol2.gif]


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Spiff wrote: Jul 2nd, 2023, 9:50 am “Hypocrite.”

I couldn't have said it better, Piers. :biggrin:
This entire post is imbecilic and off topic. Piers is talking about air pollution, not fake fairy tale pollution like CO2 that gullible fools claim is causing some mythical sky genie to get mad and cause tornadoes. Air pollution is very serious and has nothing to do with the man-made climate change alarmist boneheads. Good on Piers for

1. Calling out the climate change hysterics and idiots on TV and
2. Drawing attention to an actual environmental problem, air pollution. Real actual air pollution and not made up stuff.

Keep up the good work Piers!
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77TA wrote: Jun 26th, 2023, 6:05 pm I thought this article was about forest fires but stopped reading when I realized it was really about promoting unknown science as fact.

"The incidents of human-triggered wildfires appears to be going down. Lightning strikes, however, are on the rise.

That’s because human-caused climate change..."

Enjoy the narrative reality deniers.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/43 ... ded#433860
Follow the money, Dr Suzuki made mis lifetime telling stories of what was on the agenda.
I saw one the other day relating to the Co2 levels on earth. Our count was something like .04%. In order to sustain plant growth if it is reduced too much plants will not grow.

Are believers aware Co2 is pumped into greenhouses to promote rapid growth??? Are we then missing something???
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Ken7 wrote: Jul 3rd, 2023, 1:57 pm
77TA wrote: Jun 26th, 2023, 6:05 pm I thought this article was about forest fires but stopped reading when I realized it was really about promoting unknown science as fact.

"The incidents of human-triggered wildfires appears to be going down. Lightning strikes, however, are on the rise.

That’s because human-caused climate change..."

Enjoy the narrative reality deniers.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/43 ... ded#433860
Follow the money, Dr Suzuki made mis lifetime telling stories of what was on the agenda.
I saw one the other day relating to the Co2 levels on earth. Our count was something like .04%. In order to sustain plant growth if it is reduced too much plants will not grow.

Are believers aware Co2 is pumped into greenhouses to promote rapid growth??? Are we then missing something???
Right. Plants are more drought resistant as CO2 increases. I can't imagine CO2 going lower than levels in the 1800's (let alone paying people to invent ways to do it). If the earth is greening today from more abundant CO2, I can just imagine how there is the potential to radically de-green the world by reversing it. Immense die-offs as remaining CO2 sinks in to plants and oceans. I hope mankind never forgets how to create CO2.

CO2 as a control knob or potent greenhouse gas is a theory. Water vapor shares the same absorption spectrum as CO2 and there is a lot more of it. How much does it affect climate no one really knows but the scientific community is split - sorry, not enough data. Just 8000 years ago we had much warmer temperatures and half the CO2. We don't understand the natural forms of warming and all we do today is run models with poor assumptions. You are not missing anything except the climate scams which attack your pocketbook. This fairytale scam costs Canadians thousands of dollars each year in higher insurance rates, taxes, and more. It was Stuart Kirk (honest senior HSBC banker) who lost his job claiming that climate change is not a financial risk.

Follow the money.
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Jlabute wrote: Jul 3rd, 2023, 3:00 pm
Ken7 wrote: Jul 3rd, 2023, 1:57 pm

Follow the money, Dr Suzuki made mis lifetime telling stories of what was on the agenda.
I saw one the other day relating to the Co2 levels on earth. Our count was something like .04%. In order to sustain plant growth if it is reduced too much plants will not grow.

Are believers aware Co2 is pumped into greenhouses to promote rapid growth??? Are we then missing something???
Right. Plants are more drought resistant as CO2 increases. I can't imagine CO2 going lower than levels in the 1800's (let alone paying people to invent ways to do it). If the earth is greening today from more abundant CO2, I can just imagine how there is the potential to radically de-green the world by reversing it. Immense die-offs as remaining CO2 sinks in to plants and oceans. I hope mankind never forgets how to create CO2.

CO2 as a control knob or potent greenhouse gas is a theory. Water vapor shares the same absorption spectrum as CO2 and there is a lot more of it. How much does it affect climate no one really knows but the scientific community is split - sorry, not enough data. Just 8000 years ago we had much warmer temperatures and half the CO2. We don't understand the natural forms of warming and all we do today is run models with poor assumptions. You are not missing anything except the climate scams which attack your pocketbook. This fairytale scam costs Canadians thousands of dollars each year in higher insurance rates, taxes, and more. It was Stuart Kirk (honest senior HSBC banker) who lost his job claiming that climate change is not a financial risk.

Follow the money.
I followed it. It doesn't lead to climate scientists. For sure capitalist scumbags will try to profit off it but that has zero to do with the science.
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Jlabute wrote: Jul 3rd, 2023, 3:00 pm
Ken7 wrote: Jul 3rd, 2023, 1:57 pm

Follow the money, Dr Suzuki made mis lifetime telling stories of what was on the agenda.
I saw one the other day relating to the Co2 levels on earth. Our count was something like .04%. In order to sustain plant growth if it is reduced too much plants will not grow.

Are believers aware Co2 is pumped into greenhouses to promote rapid growth??? Are we then missing something???
Right. Plants are more drought resistant as CO2 increases. I can't imagine CO2 going lower than levels in the 1800's (let alone paying people to invent ways to do it). If the earth is greening today from more abundant CO2, I can just imagine how there is the potential to radically de-green the world by reversing it. Immense die-offs as remaining CO2 sinks in to plants and oceans. I hope mankind never forgets how to create CO2.

CO2 as a control knob or potent greenhouse gas is a theory. Water vapor shares the same absorption spectrum as CO2 and there is a lot more of it. How much does it affect climate no one really knows but the scientific community is split - sorry, not enough data. Just 8000 years ago we had much warmer temperatures and half the CO2. We don't understand the natural forms of warming and all we do today is run models with poor assumptions. You are not missing anything except the climate scams which attack your pocketbook. This fairytale scam costs Canadians thousands of dollars each year in higher insurance rates, taxes, and more. It was Stuart Kirk (honest senior HSBC banker) who lost his job claiming that climate change is not a financial risk.

Follow the money.
Exactly. The "green" goldrush continues apace, trampling the environment and the poor while exploiting the gullibility of those who believe "the science" is showing whatever the shysters are currently hawking.

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