Climate change.

[Jlabute]

Climate study is exceedingly complex. That's the problem, the earth is an enormous open system and our understanding of it is at 5%. It is more complicated than the human brain and we don't know much about that either. It is hard enough to directly measure the state of multiple systems across the globe, let alone boil it down in to a MODEL. Relying on MODELs for policy is ridiculous... especially since they are all wrong. MODELs incorrectly model the present, past, and therefore, future.

Wrong on all counts . We know what happened in the earths past when co2 counts went up . https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1809600115

The data and the math is included at that link .
We know what happens when you build a greenhouse and place it in the suns rays . It gets warmer to the point of being hotter .

We see every year what happens when ppl leave kids an pets in cars with windows up on a sunny day.

Wrong on all counts.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2006.03098.pdf

[captkirkcanada]

Wrong on all counts . We know what happened in the earths past when co2 counts went up . https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1809600115

The data and the math is included at that link .
We know what happens when you build a greenhouse and place it in the suns rays . It gets warmer to the point of being hotter .

We see every year what happens when ppl leave kids an pets in cars with windows up on a sunny day.

Wrong on all counts.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2006.03098.pdf

Nice try but what you just posted is a simulation of what would happen if the earth had no clouds . Did you not read the conclusion ? case closed when the folks guessing post stuff they dont understand .

The research i posted is what has actualy happened in earths past and what we can expect to happen in near future .

[JLives]

I don't argue climate change. You are barking up the wrong tree. You are not qualified. Neither am I. I listen to those who actually know what they're talking about. I agree with you that it is an incredibly complex issue.

You say you are un-qualified yet seem primed with specific knowledge from "those you assume to know what they are talking about". How would you know they are right?

So based on your current understanding, you appear to blast anyone offering less than catastrophic outcomes as seen in mainstream ideology, yet you don't seem to comment on more ridiculous and harmful posts such as "the atmosphere is like a car on a hot day", so, you probably do know nothing, or you don't care to correct such erroneous comments so long as they support cataclysmic outcomes or panic? It has all the appearance of a political bias.

So, I agree, climate requires multidisciplinary understanding. No one is a climate expert. There is no higher school of climate. Scientists get involved when they have degrees in Physics, Oceanography, Atmospheric Physics, Volcanism, Chemistry, and a ton more. There are many basic questions that have gone unanswered because, we can't.

My opinion is formed from reading hundreds of science articles, understanding the process of science, and knowing there is heavy political bias, especially from the UN.

*removed* Link your published paper *removed* I'll stick to listening to people who actually know what they're talking about. And there are actually scientists who know what they're talking about. We know more about climate change than gravity.

[hobbyguy]

Another incentive for taking climate action:

I was reading that for for every 1 degree C increase in hot temperature 2% of productivity/GDP is lost.

People simply can't get much done when it is too hot, and climate change is inducing longer and hotter heat waves. Crops don't do as well, livestock don't put on weight, forests burn more frequently etc. There are multiple impacts.

No question that we seeing longer and hotter heat waves. The costs of man made climate change just keep getting steeper and steeper.

[The Green Barbarian]

Another incentive for taking climate action:

LOL - "climate action". What a silly phrase. Here's some "climate action" - let's start feeding and clothing the people on this planet who don't have food or clothes, or clean drinking water. Then we can worry about these stupid fairy tales.

[George Orwell 1984]

Liberal climate action

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Whatever is the target of the day

[hobbyguy]

Another incentive for taking climate action:

LOL - "climate action". What a silly phrase. Here's some "climate action" - let's start feeding and clothing the people on this planet who don't have food or clothes, or clean drinking water. Then we can worry about these stupid fairy tales.

Climate change denial is so tragically cognitively dissonant.

Climate change is threatening the water supply of most of the US south west. California is out of water. Nevada is out of water. Arizona is out of water. The productivity of farms in the area is declining due to lack of water. Some farms are shutting down fields altogether. https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/05/23/ ... d-choices/

The drop in cotton production in California from 2020 to 2021 was 38% due to the lack of water caused by man made climate change.

So lets see, shortage of drinking water, less food to eat and higher prices, less cotton for clothing and higher prices all caused by man made climate change.

End of denier commentary, all negated into dust.

[Jlabute]

Another incentive for taking climate action:

I was reading that for for every 1 degree C increase in hot temperature 2% of productivity/GDP is lost.

People simply can't get much done when it is too hot, and climate change is inducing longer and hotter heat waves. Crops don't do as well, livestock don't put on weight, forests burn more frequently etc. There are multiple impacts.

No question that we seeing longer and hotter heat waves. The costs of man made climate change just keep getting steeper and steeper.

Sounds like hyperbole to me (and scientists)
Since the majority of warming happens in the northern hemisphere, and at higher latitudes, perhaps no one is affected.
Global productivity rises faster than it is affected by heat, cold, or weather events.
The world also has record crops, fewer wildfires, and life is wonderful! I've never been so healthy and happy in my life.
I tell ya' I can't tell if you're joking or not.

What affects farm animals, crops, and productivity the most is Biden and Trudeau. They have lowered our standard of living well beyond what climate could ever do.

[hobbyguy]

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Whatever is the target of the day

Simple answers to complex problems are never there. The hyper partisan nonsense always seeks simple answers to complex problems.

Is the right wing incapable of recognizing that complex problems deny simple solutions?

[hobbyguy]

Another incentive for taking climate action:

I was reading that for for every 1 degree C increase in hot temperature 2% of productivity/GDP is lost.

People simply can't get much done when it is too hot, and climate change is inducing longer and hotter heat waves. Crops don't do as well, livestock don't put on weight, forests burn more frequently etc. There are multiple impacts.

No question that we seeing longer and hotter heat waves. The costs of man made climate change just keep getting steeper and steeper.

Sounds like hyperbole to me (and scientists)
Since the majority of warming happens in the northern hemisphere, and at higher latitudes, perhaps no one is affected.
Global productivity rises faster than it is affected by heat, cold, or weather events.
The world also has record crops, fewer wildfires, and life is wonderful! I've never been so healthy and happy in my life.
I tell ya' I can't tell if you're joking or not.

What affects farm animals, crops, and productivity the most is Biden and Trudeau. They have lowered our standard of living well beyond what climate could ever do.

The anti-science far right offers no solutions to anything, nor any viable discussion.

[captkirkcanada]

LOL - "climate action". What a silly phrase. Here's some "climate action" - let's start feeding and clothing the people on this planet who don't have food or clothes, or clean drinking water. Then we can worry about these stupid fairy tales.

Climate change denial is so tragically cognitively dissonant.

Climate change is threatening the water supply of most of the US south west. California is out of water. Nevada is out of water. Arizona is out of water. The productivity of farms in the area is declining due to lack of water. Some farms are shutting down fields altogether. https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/05/23/ ... d-choices/

The drop in cotton production in California from 2020 to 2021 was 38% due to the lack of water caused by man made climate change.

So lets see, shortage of drinking water, less food to eat and higher prices, less cotton for clothing and higher prices all caused by man made climate change.

End of denier commentary, all negated into dust.

Well im guessing few folks in kentucky and las vegas are having a change of opinion on climate change caused flooding based on last weeks events and this weeks on going events .

[The Green Barbarian]

Climate change denial is so tragically cognitively dissonant.

And yet I'm not "denying climate change" - not at all. I am questioning if man-made climate change is a thing, because no one can prove that it exists. You really need to define what it is that you are talking about, natural "climate change", which no one denies exists, and the hoax that has been perpetuated on mankind about "man-made climate change". Which one are you talking about? Be clear instead of so stupidly vague.

End of denier commentary, all negated into dust.

Since I don't know what a "denier" is, I don't see how the commentary is ended. And it's definitely not "negated to dust", whatever that even means.

[The Green Barbarian]

Well im guessing few folks in kentucky and las vegas are having a change of opinion on climate change caused flooding based on last weeks events and this weeks on going events .

Why? Because there have never been floods before in either of these places, ever before? Only now does the Evil Sky Genie fly down out of the clouds to cause a bunch of rain to fall out of the sky. That's how crazy the enviro-lunatics sounds pushing this anti-science garbage about man-made climate change.

[The Green Barbarian]

The anti-science far right offers no solutions to anything, nor any viable discussion.

and the anti-science far left offers "solutions" to fairy tales guaranteed to starve and freeze the poor, all in the name of something that doesn't even exist. Truly evil people, who are hell bent on doing their fellow man harm, for no benefit to anyone.

[GordonH]

This planet been flooding, burning & icing over etc... etc for billions of years, it will continue to do so until the Sun finally burns out. Becomes the newest black hole in the universe.

btw climate change started roughly 4 billion years ago.

Oh yes, I am not a right or left wing individual... just someone with common sense.