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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby indianlarry66 » Nov 6th, 2020, 7:50 am

Ev battery wars heating up to see who becomes champ .


https://insideevs.com/features/452899/e ... mpetition/
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby OKkayak » Nov 8th, 2020, 2:58 am

Wait, what?

Canada not on track to hit its first electric car target in 2025


https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/31 ... et-in-2025

Transport Canada set targets to have 10 per cent of all light-duty cars be electric by 2025, 30 per cent by 2030 and 100 per cent by 2040. The most recent analysis suggests Canada will only reach between four and six per cent by 2025 and 10 per cent by 2030.


But I thought someone here said they were selling like hotcakes? So, not only will they miss their short term target by 1/2, the mid-range target will be missed even more by 2/3 [icon_lol2.gif]
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby Urban Cowboy » Nov 8th, 2020, 1:25 pm

This is what happens when the clueless make projections.

Just because a handful have driven EV's across Canada, hardly means they are ready for, or will appeal, to the masses.

A lot of progress still needs to be made in the availability of charging stations.

Stories such as a recent one focusing on how drastically the range has been reduced on a 7yr old car, and the challenge of finding replacement batteries, never mind their cost, also aren't helping to reach the goal.
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby Jlabute » Nov 8th, 2020, 1:27 pm

It would be nice if everyone had $60,000 or $70,000 to spend on an electric or fuel cell vehicle. Most people buy what they can afford which is about 50% the price of an EV. Getting someone to spend $50000+electricity instead of $25000+gas is a tough fight. Luxury EV sales are few and falling. Falling because fewer people can afford them even with a rebate, and falling because there are supply issues with batteries and dealerships don't have EVs to sell, and falling because rebates are getting smaller or non-existent, and falling because their favorite EV goes up in price every year due to inflation. Over the last 5 years, I've watched the Chevy Bolt increase by $5000, and the 2021 model apparently will be about $38500 US, or $50,000 CDN. Clearly the EV revolution is driven more by government than by economics.

Tesla sales are down 15% in 2019 from 2018. 2020 will be fewer yet for Tesla as competitors take a go at it. Sales also dropped due to lithium and mineral shortages.

The lithium mining industry is in flux. "This year began with expectations that global demand for the white metal would jump 15%, according to Morningstar. The advisory group now expects a 5% drop in demand in 2020." Lithium mining is an industry which needs to re-invent itself. In Canada, there has been a 50+% drop in EV sales from 2019 to 2020 (April to June). Peak sales happened during peak incentives. If we need more "giga-factories" or more "lithium mines" it will take years to ramp them up.

10% EVs by 2025 is impossible, and personally, I think 4% to 6% by 2025 is near impossible unless all the EVs in dealerships are from China. 2018 was a peak for North American EV sales. Every year since has been down-hill.


Lithium won't change much in price and it is expected to slightly jump in price to 2025 since many lithium mines are operating in the red.

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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby GordonH » Nov 8th, 2020, 1:40 pm



Hell of a test for autonomous vehicle Ontario’s 401 hwy. You want to see crazy drivers, take the 401 from Pearson airport east to let’s say Pickering.
Or any part of Gardiner expressway/Don Valley parkway.
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby indianlarry66 » Dec 2nd, 2020, 1:51 pm

Canadian made ev bikes , scooters , motorbikes .

https://electrek.co/2020/12/02/daymak-u ... lying-car/
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby JagXKR » Dec 2nd, 2020, 4:08 pm

Did you even read this? Like all the way to the end?

But it’s easy to make things seem cool when they don’t actually exist.
These are all renders. Anyone can slap on solar panels at this point. I can just imagine the design meetings. “Ooh, add auto-pilot! And an entertainment system! Hey, can one of them fly too?!”


But let’s also be realistic here. Show me some prototypes at least before you start asking for my deposit. Otherwise we’re putting the flying cart before the horse.


Not even a :cuss: prototype.
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby indianlarry66 » Dec 5th, 2020, 8:24 am

Ev with up to 1000 mile range now ready for orders

https://insideevs.com/news/458422/apter ... re-orders/

"For $25,900, you get the front-wheel-drive EV with 100 kW (134 hp) and the lowest range: the 25 kWh battery pack would provide about 250 miles of range. The prices for each battery pack were not disclosed, but we know that the 100 kWh battery pack offers 100 kWh, comes with an all-wheel-drive (150 kW, or 201 hp), and aims to take you 1,000 miles with a single charge. The other options are 40 kWh and 60 kWh, respectively, for 400 miles and 600 miles of range."
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby Jlabute » Dec 5th, 2020, 11:56 am

Previous Aptera vehicles had been classified as motorcycles. Small, light, with limited seating. They had previously liquidated and are now trying a re-start-up. They are a company with 14 employees hoping to crowdfund a new vehicle.

The previous pre-order:

"The company opened a pre-ordering process for residents of California, but stopped taking deposits in July 2011. On 12 August 2011, Aptera announced it would return all deposits from customers who had signed up to buy a car."


My sense is we won't see anything other than a prototype unless they sell a worthy technology to a large company. Do you think you will soon see a bunch of Atpera Motor vehicles driving around?
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby indianlarry66 » Dec 6th, 2020, 7:55 pm

Uk opens it first 36 car ev charging station .

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... s-in-essex
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby OKkayak » Dec 7th, 2020, 2:12 am

indianlarry66 wrote:Uk opens it first 36 car ev charging station .

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... s-in-essex

Yawn. Someone wake me up when you can get a full charge good for 800km in the same time it takes to fill up at the pump without deteriorating the battery lifespan.

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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby indianlarry66 » Dec 17th, 2020, 4:53 pm

cn and cp look to transition to cleaner locomotives

https://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2 ... ocomotives
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby Randall T » Dec 26th, 2020, 10:01 am

There is already a shift of EV acceptance as more people experience the performance and benefits. The naysayers will always be there, but at some point will either have to get onboard or pay exorbitant amounts to drive their dino-fueled vehicles. Tesla already has 500K kms battery life and that is changing to double. Most people change vehicles before those kms are hit. So with range anxiety diminishing, battery life a non-issue for the majority, and the pressure to shift from fossil fuels, and with pretty much all of the manufacturers being onboard, the future is already mapped. The tech is already astonishing and will only improve more.
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby Randall T » Dec 27th, 2020, 9:06 am

Not an EV, but I should mention that we bought a new cordless mower this past year. Our lawn area is 1/4 acre plus and the one 5Ah lithium battery will handle that with a half charge left. It has a 21" steel deck, an additional motor for self propelling, and all the usual hardware found on a gas mower. It is extremely quiet, powerful and lightweight, so the drive motor really isn't required. No gas, oil, fumes, noise, or tuning issues. It mulches, bags and has a side discharge like most other mowers. It also folds up and stands on end for storage. The charger is wall-mounted so the whole thing takes up very little space. The machine is warranted for four years, including the battery pack. What's not to like?
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby ckil » Dec 27th, 2020, 9:12 am

Randall T wrote:Not an EV, but I should mention that we bought a new cordless mower this past year. Our lawn area is 1/4 acre plus and the one 5Ah lithium battery will handle that with a half charge left. It has a 21" steel deck, an additional motor for self propelling, and all the usual hardware found on a gas mower. It is extremely quiet, powerful and lightweight, so the drive motor really isn't required. No gas, oil, fumes, noise, or tuning issues. It mulches, bags and has a side discharge like most other mowers. It also folds up and stands on end for storage. The charger is wall-mounted so the whole thing takes up very little space. The machine is warranted for four years, including the battery pack. What's not to like?


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