Electric Vehicles

[cyruslosco66]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/lucid-m ... s-pricing/

Should be a good battle

[Jlabute]

The lucid is promising three vehicles in the following price categories, 125,000CDN, 183,000CDN, and 223,000CDN. These Elite Vehicles are not likely to worry Elon Musk yet, especially if the average consumer avoids them. Even Elon needed a consumer vehicle. Lucid vehicles do have some nice specs though, but the marketing and R&D road are a lot more work than having just a pretty website. Not much for a physical address, and they are hiring a bunch of engineers I see. If we do see a battle, it may not be for another 10 years or more. They currently do not have plans for a vehicle in reach of an average consumer. It is a tough payback spending 10B in 10 years and then selling vehicles that are all $90,000CDN and up. As a startup they will have a rough time. Many EV startups have failed.

Seeing EV component shortages affect all EV companies, Lucid better start making a battery manufacturing plant in order to compete.

[JagXKR]

Shortages and supply issues for the expensive golf cart industry.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Business/ ... -shortages

A series of roadblocks are contributing to the shortfall, including battery shortages and manufacturers prioritizing shipments to China and Europe rather than North America. It's exacerbating difficulties that already existed.

Supply shortages are a global challenge...

"Manufacturers are generally throughout the supply chain being cautious about over-investing in current technology when they see new types of batteries with much higher energy density and better pricing two, three years out."

More like 5-10 years out. At best.

[JagXKR]

https://forums.castanet.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p2698014

[JagXKR]

Added note
If you would prefer a fuel cell vehicle, FCs rely heavily on platinum as a catalyst. The worlds largest producer of platinum is Africa at about 100 tons per year and platinum is used for many other things than fuel cells.

https://phys.org/news/2020-05-platinum- ... -fuel.html

The most promising platinum-free catalyst for use in the ORR is based on iron, nitrogen and carbon. To produce the catalyst, scientists mix precursors containing the three elements and heat them between 900 and 1100 degrees Celsius in a process called pyrolysis.

After pyrolysis, the iron atoms in the material are bonded with four nitrogen atoms and imbedded in a plane of graphene, a one-atom thick layer of carbon. Each of the iron atoms constitutes an active site, or a site at which the ORR can occur. A greater density of active sites in the material makes the electrode more efficient.

More work needs to be done but using the X-ray to observe the chemical reactions was needed to understand what was going on. That understanding will lead to a platinum equivalent or possibly superior to platinum.
So amazing what we (humanity) can do.

[Jlabute]

I think getting away from platinum would be great. It really makes mass scale fuel cells unsustainable. As much as I like the idea of Iron, Nitrogen, and Carbon, the idea of a furnace at 900C to 1100C is a little tough at the moment you start the ignition. I've seen some articles that say they have improved the life span of Pt fuel cells, but, yup, something better is still needed.

I am liking gastankium more and more ;-)

[JagXKR]

I think getting away from platinum would be great. It really makes mass scale fuel cells unsustainable. As much as I like the idea of Iron, Nitrogen, and Carbon, the idea of a furnace at 900C to 1100C is a little tough at the moment you start the ignition. I've seen some articles that say they have improved the life span of Pt fuel cells, but, yup, something better is still needed.

I am liking gastankium more and more ;-)

No. The Catalyst is made by the furnace, prior to being installed. No furnace in the car. Just the process in order to create the catalyst.
BTW I still love gastankium. But the future is hydrogen.
Just can't come fast enough for the "i need it now" generation.

[cyruslosco66]

Here is a list of ev coming out soon.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/most ... olkswagen/

[OKkayak]

Here is a list of ev coming out soon.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/most ... olkswagen/

LOL, the VW Buzz has been coming out "soon" for the last flippin' 10 years

As far as GM goes, are they even a relevant company anymore? Other than the odd pick-up truck, seeing one of their new vehicles on the road is rarer than a Delorean.

[Jlabute]

Pretty much. Incremental improvements are continual. The near future (2 to 3 years) always holds small improvements for battery technologies. The elusive solid state lithium, or the lithium-metal pouch, or what-ever it may be, might be 5 to 10 years out. It may not matter since ANY chemical battery technology will ALWAYS take a relatively LONG TIME to charge. The only hope here is they can be made safer, more energy dense, and longer lasting. A longer lasting Fuel Cell without platinum I have a feeling is 15 to 20 years away. Anything requiring large scale graphene will be out of reach for a while. The idea that no gas vehicles are to be sold after 2030-2040 is a virtue-signaling joke and environmental disaster in the waiting.

[Even Steven]

Nikola founder quits and sends company stock 20% down.


Pretty sure the whole compamy is a scam.

[GordonH]

Made a few inquiries, chances of seeing any f150 ev before 2023 highly doubtful.

[Urban Cowboy]

Made a few inquiries, chances of seeing any f150 ev before 2023 highly doubtful.

Then when they do show up they'll probably carry a 100K+ price tag. No thanks.

[GordonH]

Made a few inquiries, chances of seeing any f150 ev before 2023 highly doubtful.

Then when they do show up they'll probably carry a 100K+ price tag. No thanks.

I have absolutely no desire to purchase a ev from any builder.
Until charge times are greatly reduced plus distance on a charge is greatly increased.

[Even Steven]

To expensive. I'd rather see a company that retrofits existing vehicles to be electrical.