Electric Vehicles

[YzzzR1]

Ummm....Voltage is equivalent to water pressure in a garden hose. The more pressure, the larger quantity of water (electrons ie. current in amps) can be 'pushed' thru in any given timeframe.

Then why doesn't the little led night light blow up with the 200A pounding down behind it? No. Power is taken. Not given. Wouldn't we have power blasting out from electrical outlets? No. It sits there waiting to be taken.

I give up, You obliviously have no clue how electricity works and seem to go solely on sales brochure information to justify your choices. Enjoy your EV.

[LovemyBolt]

I give up, You obliviously have no clue how electricity works and seem to go solely on sales brochure information to justify your choices. Enjoy your EV.

I have some clue. From experience and learning what I need. Might I question your prowess? Are you an electrical engineer?
I will and do enjoy my EV. Enjoy paying all your hard-earned money on gas.

[YzzzR1]

I give up, You obliviously have no clue how electricity works and seem to go solely on sales brochure information to justify your choices. Enjoy your EV.

I have some clue. From experience and learning what I need. Might I question your prowess? Are you an electrical engineer?
I will and do enjoy my EV. Enjoy paying all your hard-earned money on gas.

Not an electrical engineer but was an electrician for over 20yrs before I studied Civil engineering.

[nepal]

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First I’ve heard of Fisker EV’s. Solar panel roofs! They claim that the Fisker Ocean can harvest 2,400km/yr from its roof-top solar panel.

https://www.fiskerinc.com/en-ca

[rustled]

In order to retrofit an OLD EV, you'd have to get a new battery, and the EV would have to be gutted of existing electronics and wiring with it all being replaced with heavier conductors, and new software support. Not likely to happen, ever. As I've been saying, new battery tech will likely only be available for new EVs.

It all seems obvious to me. Not a deterrent. Enterprising folks will do it. There are people retrofitting EV drivetrains into classic cars. There was someone with a VW van of some sort with a Bolt battery slung underneath and Bolt motors driving things. Do you suppose they had to rip out all the old 12V stuff? No. My Bolt has 12V stuff. You build what's required. Of course you'd need to electrically match everything otherwise you'd have a fuse going poof at the weak spot. obvs.

Cost would be the deterrent - cost of labour and cost of materials, compared to the value of the vehicle. People who retrofit classic cars can afford the labour or do much of the work themselves, and they're generally not doing it because it's cost-effective.

[Jlabute]

In the UK, the cost of energy is spiking due to ignorant green policies and energy shortages are expected this winter. The cost of charging your EV is now on par, or more expensive than using diesel. This will slow the adoption of EVs. Europe and the UK will be expecting major rolling blackouts this winter. Careful driving your EV, you may not be able to charge anywhere. EV owners better be looking over their shoulder as governments place additional taxes on charging to recoup losses in gas vehicle taxes.

Too bad there’s so many brain-dead politicians running the world who can’t understand their net-zero programs are causing more problems for everyone and won’t have any noticeable effect on the climate.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpre ... l-parkers/

[Catsumi]

Too bad there’s so many brain-dead politicians running the world who can’t understand their net-zero programs are causing more problems for everyone and won’t have any noticeable effect on the climate.
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Stupidity is infectious, more so than the 1918 influenza epidemic

Don’t expect the effects to go away soon. It will need another brain-dead infection to clear the slate and we’ll enjoy normalish clear skies once again

[Jlabute]

Too bad there’s so many brain-dead politicians running the world who can’t understand their net-zero programs are causing more problems for everyone and won’t have any noticeable effect on the climate.
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Stupidity is infectious, more so than the 1918 influenza epidemic

Don’t expect the effects to go away soon. It will need another brain-dead infection to clear the slate and we’ll enjoy normalish clear skies once again

On the heals of bad EV charging news comes yet another opinion that EV subsidies are a BAD investment. Bjorn asks

But if electric cars are really so good, why do we need to ban the alternatives? And why do we need to subsidize electric cars to the tune of $30 billion per year?

https://www.newsweek.com/electric-car-s ... n-1752032?

[JagXKR]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/electric ... 22440.html
https://twitter.com/JimmyPatronis/statu ... 3279316992

Electric-vehicle fires have burned down homes after Hurricane Ian saltwater damage. Florida officials want answers

Test results specific to saltwater submersion show that salt bridges can form within the battery pack and provide a path for short circuit and self-heating. This can lead to fire ignition. As with other forms of battery degradation, the time period for this transition from self-heating to fire ignition can vary greatly.
He added:
It may be helpful for persons who are not involved in immediate lifesaving missions to identify flooded vehicles with lithium-ion batteries and move them at least 50 feet from any structures, vehicles, or combustibles.

https://floridaphoenix.com/blog/officia ... alt-water/

Firefighters in Naples have responded to at least six electric vehicles that caught fire and are asking EV owners in the area “to please get it towed away from your home BUT you must make sure the towing operator knows how to safely and properly tow EV vehicles,” according to the Facebook post.

Some of these fires have burned down homes. Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis said in a video posted on Twitter that “our first responders are being put in harm’s way and then people’s personal homes that may have survived the storm are now being burned down.”

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/f ... s-91727543

[Jlabute]

^^^ that was my first thought, salt water is conductive, as opposed to fresh water (if there is such a thing on roads).
Initial coverage was talking about corrosion which didn't seem right, especially after a day.

EVs are a bad investment in so many ways. The billions could have been used in a better way.

[nepal]

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A glut of EV’s is on the way, as manufacturers are spending billions on new EV and battery factories, for vehicles that are cheaper and simpler to build than ICE’s. So no need to pay the current ransom, just be patient.

BTW, I still think hybrids are the best of both worlds, and put zero demand on the power grid.

[Jlabute]

^^^ The only problem with new EV plants, are the sources of raw materials. The cost of lithium carbonate has already spiked beyond belief. This will boost the cost of EVs and Hybrids. Vehicle manufacturers are financing themselves with government rebate cash in anticipation that we all want an EV when we really don't. Most EVs are impractical, especially when towing loads. Such a grand waste and supremely poor investment in junk transportation what does not save the planet. It will be a long time before EVs and Hybrids are cheaper than gas vehicles.

Lithium is at an all-time-high because no one wants to mine it. Can't build EVs without it, and can't make EVs inexpensive at this spot pricing to get one in everyone's hand. If mandates are to be fulfilled, the world needs 10x more LiCO2 production, 4x copper production, and other various metals, semiconductors, and raw materials. EV plants are a lost cause if raw materials are not available.

The cost of Lithium will continue to rise until no one can afford an EV. Certainly not in the 2030 to 2040 range. All mandates WILL fail. My next vehicle will be gas, not hybrid unless they can be improved. Hybrids may be a good option, but they still require a Li battery, more copper, more raw materials, etc. Not to mention, EVs in Consumers Reports get a failing grade for problems as they report 50% more problems than all other vehicles. Mandate me to buy one? Screw that.

https://www.mining.com/lithium-price-ju ... time-high/

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[Catsumi]

I was thinking the same thing about unavailability of Lithium carbonate and yet big business plans to create expensive EV buildings/facilities.

Did no one tell them they are hooped already?

[Jlabute]

I was thinking the same thing about unavailability of Lithium carbonate and yet big business plans to create expensive EV buildings/facilities.

Did no one tell them they are hooped already?

I'm not sure if anyone cares under Biden. His plan is to go full speed ahead with bad investments until the GOP stops him.

[nepal]

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EV’s are a car dealer’s dream come true, as it provides a reason for people rush out and buy a different car, regardless of if it makes any cents. The more EVs that are sold, the more others think they need to join the buying herd.