Electric Vehicles

[Jlabute]

Certainly, EV mandates will fail, that much is obvious. Especially before 2035, or 2040. Even 2060 isn't realistic. Once all the wealthy have their EV, sales will level out or fall off as EV owners go back to gas. Lithium Carbonate spot price continues to increase and is almost 10x what it was for the last few years. The vehicles are riddled with more problems on average that consumers reports shuns them. So, I don't see EVs taking over gas vehicles in our lifetime. In the last year, EVs went up by 54%, and ICE cars by 10%, on average. More electronics, more copper, more rare metals, more Lithium... EVs will always scream "more expensive".

https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/24/2331 ... s-iseecars

When it comes to alternatives, such as atmospheric chemical "CO2 extraction", and combining CO2 with "electrolyzed hydrogen" in order to make fuels, the amount of energy required to do these separate steps is enormous and you can't rely on hydro, solar, or wind to generate what is required for modern civilization. You can't rely on solar and wind to run an industrial machine. You can't rely on batteries for storage, etc. We need nuclear, hydro, geothermal, or something.

I am waiting for better batteries. Maybe then EVs will be worthwhile, while giving EVs a decade or more to mature.

[captkirkcanada]

Careful where you plug your EV in, it may get destroyed. Like all electronic systems, they are vulnerable to electrical noise, or who knows what else.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9319575/elec ... g-station/

Two Leafs affected. Other cars were unaffected. Careful of that pesky water in the gas station tanks. Or putting gas in a diesel car. Oh my. The horrors.

Id water in gas more often than not from gas stations .

[hozzle]

Two Leafs affected. Other cars were unaffected. Careful of that pesky water in the gas station tanks. Or putting gas in a diesel car. Oh my. The horrors.

Id water in gas more often than not from gas stations .

... and did your gas vehicle self ignite because of your experience?

[Jlabute]

The Swiss will ban the use of electric vehicles in the winter in order to save electricity. Green is looking browner every day.

Switzerland could be the first country to impose driving bans on e-cars in an emergency to ensure energy security.

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/12/01 ... gy-n514785

[LovemyBolt]

The Swiss will ban the use of electric vehicles in the winter in order to save electricity. Green is looking browner every day.

Switzerland could be the first country to impose driving bans on e-cars in an emergency to ensure energy security.

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/12/01 ... gy-n514785

Only proposed and under extreme energy demands. And who cares...8 million population. The sky is still up there.

[LovemyBolt]

Id water in gas more often than not from gas stations .

... and did your gas vehicle self ignite because of your experience?

That Mini in Vernon was just sitting there minding its own business. Anybody know if it was the EV version?
The point was that the Leafs were not driveable. Gas in the gas station tank can render many vehicles undriveable.

[hozzle]

... and did your gas vehicle self ignite because of your experience?

That Mini in Vernon was just sitting there minding its own business. Anybody know if it was the EV version?
The point was that the Leafs were not driveable. Gas in the gas station tank can render many vehicles undriveable.

Usually only in the winter... water in the gas that is NOT frozen is just mild water injection... good to go.

[Bsuds]

Been driving for almost 60 years and never gotten water in a tank of gas. At least not enough to cause a problem or even be aware of.

[77TA]

Been driving for almost 60 years and never gotten water in a tank of gas. At least not enough to cause a problem or even be aware of.

Same. Not as many years but still decades for myself and wife. Never happened to anyone I know either. Water in gas is a weak argument.

[Jlabute]

Been driving for almost 60 years and never gotten water in a tank of gas. At least not enough to cause a problem or even be aware of.

Me either, and certainly not enough water to cause a $7000 repair. I would suggest to previous commenters to not try cutting their gas with bottled water.

[hozzle]

Been driving for almost 60 years and never gotten water in a tank of gas. At least not enough to cause a problem or even be aware of.

Me either, and certainly not enough water to cause a $7000 repair. I would suggest to previous commenters to not try cutting their gas with bottled water.

Could be a misguided attempt to curb the affects of climate change, lol.

[captkirkcanada]

Tesla trucks hit the pavement


https://newatlas.com/automotive/teslas- ... ile-range/

Pepsico first to use them

[hozzle]

Some good information to know.
It can be rare but be prepared...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tp0FFY4oBsg

[Jlabute]

A newly released study discusses how much gas EVs have displaced from 2010 to 2021.
The article does not go in to how fossil fuels are used to generate electricity, so it biased... but it comes down to this:

- Claim: Plugin hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) and electric vehicles (EVs) “saved about 690 million gallons of gasoline.”

- That is an exaggeration, because fossil fuels provide 61% of the electricity in the US. About 1/3 of that savings is a real reduction in fossil fuel use, about the equivalent of 130 million gallons.

- The Argonne report says from 2010 to 2021, EVs have saved 2.1 billion gallons of gas. So let’s be generous and say that in 11 years, EVs have saved 1/3 of that, the equivalent of 750 million gallons of gas.

- It sounds like a lot, 750 million gallons. However, the US uses about 370 million gallons per day which is about two days’ worth of gas.

- The cost to save TWO days of gas is: direct taxpayer subsidies for EVs are $10 billion dollars to date, and more to come until 2032. Also an additional $7.5 billion of taxpayer money on EV charging stations. 17.5B and counting.

So to date, the USA spent TWENTY-THREE DOLLARS for each gallon of gasoline saved. An insignificant savings for an insignificant effect, at enormous cost. It still doesn't take in to account the fuels used to make the Li-ion batteries, which is equivalent to 5 years of driving.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/12/06/ ... -vehicles/

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