Electric Vehicles

[DataCruncher]

What is the proper function of government anymore?
Does 'it' have the right to decide if you must drive electric, or gas?




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[Jlabute]

Gas-Powered Cars Were Cheaper To Drive Than EVs at the End of 2022

Who'da thought?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/other/g ... skbarhover

[LovemyBolt]

Gas-Powered Cars Were Cheaper To Drive Than EVs at the End of 2022

Who'da thought?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/other/g ... skbarhover

Straight up misinformation. I posted here long ago about my math. So I'll post it again since this misinformation has been posted again. Although I'll use some different numbers for this.

Say you have a small car that has a 40l tank. So at say $1.50 per l that comes to $60 from empty to full.
My Bolt has a 62kwh battery. At the current Fortis price of around 13 cents per kwh, that comes to $8.06 from empty to full. To get the equivalent cost the math is: 60/8.06*.13=$0.967 per kwh.
How long do you suppose it will take until we see 96.7 cents per kwh? Ridiculous.

I used to have a car that could easily get 50 mp(i)g in decent weather. Or about 21 kpl. Or 5.65 l/100km. So that's $8.47 for that 100km.
I haven't kept track or really followed it closely but the Bolt seems to get around 15 kwh/100km. Don't hold me to it. I have 1 picture of my dash showing this. 15*.13 = $1.95. Let's even say going up Pennask hill in the same decent weather and lets say it even hits 20kwh/100km. That's still only $2.60. Or a frequent drive to Kamloops in winter. The car can consume upwards to about 35 kwh of power. So $4.55. The small car I used to have would maybe be getting around 45mp(i)g in winter. So Google Maps says 166km from somewhere in Kelowna to somewhere in Kamloops. That's 103.75 miles. 103.75/45 = 2.29 (i)gallons. That's 10.95 l. At $1.50 per that's $16.43.
This is a high mileage car I'm comparing with. There's just no way the stupid story has any basis in reality.

As for paying for charging, they're all only able to charge for time if they're charging. The charge time varies wildly with different vehicles and different temperatures. I am completely opposed to paying for time but there it is. So there's no apples and apples here when it comes to paying at a public charger. There is when you're paying for the power on your meter at home.
But lets say it's summer and you're out driving somewhere and it's time to charge. You'll do pretty well for charge time. But you decide to stay connected for an hour. Fast chargers even have varying costs for time. I used one a few days ago that was friggin 50 cents a minute. So that would come to $30 if you decided to stay connected for a whole hour. STILL half the cost of the gas at $1.50 per l in that one vehicle example.

I well understand that charge time and range drops when it's cold. So does gas car mileage. Filling remains the same. I know.

The article is utter nonsense. But none of the naysayers will read the above. The truth hurts and it goes against the narrative they want to maintain.

[Jlabute]

Gas-Powered Cars Were Cheaper To Drive Than EVs at the End of 2022

Who'da thought?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/other/g ... skbarhover

Straight up misinformation. I posted here long ago about my math. So I'll post it again since this misinformation has been posted again. Although I'll use some different numbers for this.

Say you have a small car that has a 40l tank. So at say $1.50 per l that comes to $60 from empty to full.
My Bolt has a 62kwh battery. At the current Fortis price of around 13 cents per kwh, that comes to $8.06 from empty to full. To get the equivalent cost the math is: 60/8.06*.13=$0.967 per kwh.
How long do you suppose it will take until we see 96.7 cents per kwh? Ridiculous.

I used to have a car that could easily get 50 mp(i)g in decent weather. Or about 21 kpl. Or 5.65 l/100km. So that's $8.47 for that 100km.
I haven't kept track or really followed it closely but the Bolt seems to get around 15 kwh/100km. Don't hold me to it. I have 1 picture of my dash showing this. 15*.13 = $1.95. Let's even say going up Pennask hill in the same decent weather and lets say it even hits 20kwh/100km. That's still only $2.60. Or a frequent drive to Kamloops in winter. The car can consume upwards to about 35 kwh of power. So $4.55. The small car I used to have would maybe be getting around 45mp(i)g in winter. So Google Maps says 166km from somewhere in Kelowna to somewhere in Kamloops. That's 103.75 miles. 103.75/45 = 2.29 (i)gallons. That's 10.95 l. At $1.50 per that's $16.43.
This is a high mileage car I'm comparing with. There's just no way the stupid story has any basis in reality.

As for paying for charging, they're all only able to charge for time if they're charging. The charge time varies wildly with different vehicles and different temperatures. I am completely opposed to paying for time but there it is. So there's no apples and apples here when it comes to paying at a public charger. There is when you're paying for the power on your meter at home.
But lets say it's summer and you're out driving somewhere and it's time to charge. You'll do pretty well for charge time. But you decide to stay connected for an hour. Fast chargers even have varying costs for time. I used one a few days ago that was friggin 50 cents a minute. So that would come to $30 if you decided to stay connected for a whole hour. STILL half the cost of the gas at $1.50 per l in that one vehicle example.

I well understand that charge time and range drops when it's cold. So does gas car mileage. Filling remains the same. I know.

The article is utter nonsense. But none of the naysayers will read the above. The truth hurts and it goes against the narrative they want to maintain.

This is the study. Of course, it is not just about you, but electricity in many places is a lot more expensive than it is in BC, and some stations charge by the minute. Gas is also much cheaper in the US. Also for an EV to go the same distance, it needs to be charged multiple times. The report came true at the end of 2022. EV is becoming a less attractive option to many people.

https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2023-01/EV ... Update.pdf

[spooker]

In a way, the comparison of gasoline vs electricity of motive power should also take into account who you want to be in control of the pricing ... gasoline prices aren't regulated whereas electricity prices are ... which proves more volatile? prone to outcry of "unfair"? which would be easier to build into a fixed budget?

[LovemyBolt]

This is the study. Of course, it is not just about you, but electricity in many places is a lot more expensive than it is in BC, and some stations charge by the minute. Gas is also much cheaper in the US. Also for an EV to go the same distance, it needs to be charged multiple times. The report came true at the end of 2022. EV is becoming a less attractive option to many people.

https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2023-01/EV ... Update.pdf

You simply can NOT compare and add-in the price a home charging station for an EV. Then you may as well add in the cost of acquiring bulk gas and the storage tank and storing it on your property and drawing from it. Farmers do that for their equipment with marked gas. Guess what, they pay a lot less taxes for that at the expense of not being able to use the gas in a road vehicle...legally.

Maybe read these if you're actually interested in some factual analysis of a ginned up hatchet job of a "study".

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/26/ab ... study-not/
or this one
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3804 ... questions/

I only care about what we have here in BC. Our gas cost. Our electricity cost. My comparison with the other car I had with it's great mileage is a starting point. Most cars nowadays, and certainly all the SUV's and trucks that fly off the lots, get much less mileage. So it's cost comparison would be weighted even more towards the gas car.

Please enlighten us all on which jurisdiction charges $0.69US per kwh (@1.4CDN). At home. This site shows, not surprisingly, HI to be the most expensive at $0.44. Still a ways away from .69.
Ok current gas prices. One place I found sourcing gasbuddy saying gas is currently as low $3US per us gallon. So at 3*1.4 / 3.785 = $1.10 per l. Not bad.
So that 40l tank * 1.1 = $44 to fill. Is that still anywhere close to the $8.06 I mentioned earlier? Not a chance.

You threw in a different variable about range per charge. Your article talks about 100 miles. Any full-battery EV (not hybrid) can do that easily.

And the ease and convenience of being able to arrive home, take less than a minute to plug in, go in and enjoy life with your family. You can't do that with gas. You have to get all dirty and stinky and spillage and hoping the tap at the pump works or you trudge through the snow and ice to go pre-pay while you're freezing in the cold somewhere to get that gas. Fun.

Next.

[The Green Barbarian]

And the ease and convenience of being able to arrive home, take less than a minute to plug in, go in and enjoy life with your family. You can't do that with gas. You have to get all dirty and stinky and spillage and hoping the tap at the pump works or you trudge through the snow and ice to go pre-pay while you're freezing in the cold somewhere to get that gas. Fun.

Next.

Not sure where you were filling up with gas, but this has never been my experience. "Trudge through the snow to pre-pay"? What?

Anyway, gas is better than electric, in so many ways. But that won't stop our overlords from continuing to push this sick and dying ideology down our throats. Electric cars just plain suck.

[spooker]

And the ease and convenience of being able to arrive home, take less than a minute to plug in, go in and enjoy life with your family. You can't do that with gas. You have to get all dirty and stinky and spillage and hoping the tap at the pump works or you trudge through the snow and ice to go pre-pay while you're freezing in the cold somewhere to get that gas. Fun.

Next.

Not sure where you were filling up with gas, but this has never been my experience. "Trudge through the snow to pre-pay"? What?

Anyway, gas is better than electric, in so many ways. But that won't stop our overlords from continuing to push this sick and dying ideology down our throats. Electric cars just plain suck.

I was walking through the parking lot up at Silver Star last night at the end of the day ... two electrics cars were charging at the provided stalls ... and then the other parking lot was about half full with people leaving for the day ... wish I could have held my breath, exhaust fumes don't rise in the cold and with everyone warming up their cars and all states of repair it just really shows what is happening with our continued overzealous dependence on fossil fuels ... the traffic person putting out cones had to agree with me as they put out new barrels, saying that they knew their truck was one of the worst offenders

It's delivery and conversion tech has been developed for over 100 years ... but those are about the only "ways" that I can see how it could be considered better than electricity ...

[Bsuds]

You have to get all dirty and stinky and spillage and hoping the tap at the pump works or you trudge through the snow and ice to go pre-pay while you're freezing in the cold somewhere to get that gas. Fun.

Next.

What a pile of BS.

[LovemyBolt]

You have to get all dirty and stinky and spillage and hoping the tap at the pump works or you trudge through the snow and ice to go pre-pay while you're freezing in the cold somewhere to get that gas. Fun.

Next.

What a pile of BS.

What BS? It's freezing out with blowing snow. You're low on gas. You need gas to get where you're going. So you stop. There's snow on the ground. Snow blowing around even under the roof cover. Ice has built up from earlier snow and compaction. You dig out your card. You get out. Dang it's cold. You attempt the tap. Dang. It doesn't work. The insert doesn't work. Dang. You trudge through what snow has accumulated and look out for ice. You hand over your card and hope it doesn't get compromised. You trudge back out and start pumping standing out in the freezing and snow. You finish. You trudge back in to finish the transaction. You trudge back out and get in and go.
It's of course more tolerable if the tap works. You're still standing out in the cold and snow doing the fill. Oh crap. The little bit at the end just dribbled all over your work dress because you're in a hurry to get back in the warm car. Great.
What all in this scenario has everybody not experienced? We've all been there.
Or it's not cold and snowing. Same with the tap or insert. You go in anyway and hope the card doesn't get compromised. The nozzle is dirty. It can still dribble.
There's no BS here.

[Bsuds]

I have never spilled gas or gotten stinky and dirty filling a vehicle.

Cold, yes, trudge thru snow, no.

I can fill up in a matter of minutes and not sit there for an extended period waiting to charge so I can continue my trip.

Yes there are advantages to both but not so cut and dried as you try to make it.

[77TA]

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[LovemyBolt]

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[The Green Barbarian]

What a pile of BS.

There's no BS here.

It's all BS. As usual.

[ferri]