Electric Vehicles

[spooker]

Considering that people want long range and lots of conveniences it follows that vehicles will be heavier, hence have more kinetic energy, more commensurate damage inflicted, higher costs for replacement and repair ... if we didn't feel entitled to every convenience on our drive maybe vehicles could be more affordable in these and other ways

But since we are fine with the amount of drive time we have and not really worried about more congestion then we will continue to require something as comfortable as our living room ...

Why do you keep running away from the child slave labour thing? I truly want to know how all of the EV driving fools here reconcile their sanctimonious warm tummies with the fact that their car wouldn't exist without children digging up the necessary materials. Come on - tell us! Or lie to us to make yourselves feel better!

Because it's not just an EV issue so it's a distraction from the topic ... child labour used in the DRC to mine cobalt enables batteries used in our mobile phones, our laptops, all of those nice conveniences we all enjoy here in the western world ... it sucks knowing that but as an individual I will only tackle problems that I have any chance of affecting ...

Ready to give it all up to save the kids?

[Jlabute]

Why do you keep running away from the child slave labour thing? I truly want to know how all of the EV driving fools here reconcile their sanctimonious warm tummies with the fact that their car wouldn't exist without children digging up the necessary materials. Come on - tell us! Or lie to us to make yourselves feel better!

Because it's not just an EV issue so it's a distraction from the topic ... child labour used in the DRC to mine cobalt enables batteries used in our mobile phones, our laptops, all of those nice conveniences we all enjoy here in the western world ... it sucks knowing that but as an individual I will only tackle problems that I have any chance of affecting ...

Ready to give it all up to save the kids?

It isn't just an EV issue, but, EVs use 25% of the global supply. Saying that eco-extremists want everyone to have EVs, but no new mines. SO, queue up more kids.

[The Green Barbarian]

Ready to give it all up to save the kids?

Of course! Aren't you!!??? This is actually a disgusting and sickening conversation. And we don't need to "give it all up", all that needs to happen is that the losers who are sucking all of these materials out of the Congo to make EV's insist that the mining be done by adults, paid a fair wage. Things would change pretty fast.

Oh and what's this? Someone forgot to send General Motors the memo that everyone will be driving around soon in child slave labour cars....

General Motors investing $854 million to build V8 engines amid EV shift
Will power full-size trucks and SUVs

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/g ... v8-engines

The "ICE" age is definitely not over at General Motors.

The automaker has announced a $854 million investment in four factories to build a new generation of V8 internal combustion engines (ICE) for its full-size trucks and SUVs.

"These investments, coupled with the hard work and dedication of our team members in Flint, Bay City, Rochester and Defiance, enable us to build world-class products for our customers and provide job security at these plants for years to come," Gerald Johnson, GM executive vice president of Global Manufacturing and Sustainability, said.

The money will go toward engine and parts manufacturing at Flint Engine Operations and Bay City GPS in Michigan, Defiance Operations in Ohio and Rochester Operations in New York.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/g ... v8-engines

[The Green Barbarian]

It isn't just an EV issue, but, EVs use 25% of the global supply. Saying that eco-extremists want everyone to have EVs, but no new mines. SO, queue up more kids.

And queue up more sanctimony and warm tummies, while the kids continue to suffer. All of these eco-lunatics going around letting out the air on tires of SUV's should be doing that to EV's, until all child labour to produce EV's is ended. Lunatics, actually do some good in the world instead of always being responsible for evil instead.

[JLives]

It isn't just an EV issue, but, EVs use 25% of the global supply. Saying that eco-extremists want everyone to have EVs, but no new mines. SO, queue up more kids.

And queue up more sanctimony and warm tummies, while the kids continue to suffer. All of these eco-lunatics going around letting out the air on tires of SUV's should be doing that to EV's, until all child labour to produce EV's is ended. Lunatics, actually do some good in the world instead of always being responsible for evil instead.

You literally wrote this on a device using the same materials. EVERYBODY is using products made through child labour. I've just started reading Siddharth Kara's Cobalt Red and it's horrifying what is actually going on. But do not pretend you, or anyone else, is any way morally superior when it comes to this issue. We ALL share in the responsibility for this evil.

[The Green Barbarian]

You literally wrote this on a device using the same materials.

And I'm not going around virtue-signaling and telling everyone else what to do. Idiot EV drivers and our crappy government are doing this. I am just asking the question of the EV-driving cowards - "how do you justify your warm tummies"???? Knowing that there are children dying getting the materials for your car. Instead of once again, attacking me for asking the question, attack the sanctimonious swarmy jerks telling everyone else that they have to drive an EV to "save the planet". LOL - what losers they are.

[JLives]

You literally wrote this on a device using the same materials.

And I'm not going around virtue-signaling and telling everyone else what to do. Idiot EV drivers and our crappy government are doing this. I am just asking the question of the EV-driving cowards - "how do you justify your warm tummies"???? Knowing that there are children dying getting the materials for your car. Instead of once again, attacking me for asking the question, attack the sanctimonious swarmy jerks telling everyone else that they have to drive an EV to "save the planet". LOL - what losers they are.

What you are doing is crapping on someone for doing the very same thing you are doing. That's called being a big old hypocrite. How do you justify your warm tummy knowing that the device you are currently using was made through child and slave labour?

[ferri]

[spooker]

Because it's not just an EV issue so it's a distraction from the topic ... child labour used in the DRC to mine cobalt enables batteries used in our mobile phones, our laptops, all of those nice conveniences we all enjoy here in the western world ... it sucks knowing that but as an individual I will only tackle problems that I have any chance of affecting ...

Ready to give it all up to save the kids?

It isn't just an EV issue, but, EVs use 25% of the global supply. Saying that eco-extremists want everyone to have EVs, but no new mines. SO, queue up more kids.

So we need to boycott manufacturers that source from the DRC ... it is sad that the next 5 countries with cobalt resources together do not equal what is available in the DRC ... while I wouldn't buy a Tesla they have reported that half of their battery production is now cobalt-free ... more cobalt-free capacity has been coming online since 2020 ... sadly, humanity has quite a time pivoting even when it knows doing so will benefit society, that applies to changing battery tech and EV adoption

[The Green Barbarian]

It isn't just an EV issue, but, EVs use 25% of the global supply. Saying that eco-extremists want everyone to have EVs, but no new mines. SO, queue up more kids.

So we need to boycott manufacturers that source from the DRC ... it is sad that the next 5 countries with cobalt resources together do not equal what is available in the DRC ... while I wouldn't buy a Tesla they have reported that half of their battery production is now cobalt-free ... more cobalt-free capacity has been coming online since 2020 ... sadly, humanity has quite a time pivoting even when it knows doing so will benefit society, that applies to changing battery tech and EV adoption

Canada has cobalt, instead of charging a stupid carbon tax, Canada should be engaging in cobalt production and then taxing it.

[rustled]

You literally wrote this on a device using the same materials.

And I'm not going around virtue-signaling and telling everyone else what to do. Idiot EV drivers and our crappy government are doing this. I am just asking the question of the EV-driving cowards - "how do you justify your warm tummies"???? Knowing that there are children dying getting the materials for your car. Instead of once again, attacking me for asking the question, attack the sanctimonious swarmy jerks telling everyone else that they have to drive an EV to "save the planet". LOL - what losers they are.

This is what I find so fascinating. Those supporting the social engineering pushing EVs to the forefront genuinely seem to believe their negative consequences of pushing EVs to the forefront should be shared by those who are not pushing EVs to the forefront.

Plenty of us have said Canada should hold off on pushing EVs until we're producing enough rare earth minerals / cobalt here in Canada to supply what we need, or until we have developed better technology that does not require we rely on sourcing those from countries with poor pollution standards and/or labor standards.

In reality, there is no emergency that genuinely requires our government to create even more profitable opportunities for the exploitation of child labor in other countries than already exist, which is a direct consequence of our government inflating the demand for EVs and subsidizing their sale.

[The Green Barbarian]

So we need to boycott manufacturers that source from the DRC ..

and stop pushing EV cars on everyone.

[countmeout]

In reality, there is no emergency that genuinely requires our government to create even more profitable opportunities for the exploitation of child labor in other countries than already exist, which is a direct consequence of our government inflating the demand for EVs and subsidizing their sale.

Can't have those kids working in mines, but totally ok to die from climate change? The places where there is child labour are being affected by climate change more than we are in Canada. Seems illogical to promote more pollution speeding up climate change because it will also harm the children...

[77TA]

In reality, there is no emergency that genuinely requires our government to create even more profitable opportunities for the exploitation of child labor in other countries than already exist, which is a direct consequence of our government inflating the demand for EVs and subsidizing their sale.

Can't have those kids working in mines, but totally ok to die from climate change? The places where there is child labour are being affected by climate change more than we are in Canada. Seems illogical to promote more pollution speeding up climate change because it will also harm the children...

Who's dying from climate change?

[countmeout]

Who's dying from climate change?

Heat stress, when the body cannot cool itself, is the leading cause of weather-related death in the European Region. Temperature extremes can also exacerbate chronic conditions, including cardiovascular, respiratory and cerebrovascular diseases, and diabetes-related conditions.

Based on country data submitted so far, it is estimated that at least 15 000 people died specifically due to the heat in 2022. Among those, nearly 4000 deaths in Spain, more than 1000 in Portugal, more than 3200 in the United Kingdom, and around 4500 deaths in Germany were reported by health authorities during the 3 months of summer.

This estimate is expected to increase as more countries report on excess deaths due to heat. For example, France's National Institute of Statistics and Economic Studies (INSEE) reported that more than 11 000 more people died between 1 June and 22 August 2022 compared with the same period in 2019 – the last year before the COVID-19 pandemic. INSEE suggested that these figures were “likely to be explained by the heatwave that occurred in mid-July, after an initial heatwave episode as early as mid-June”.

Temperatures in Europe have warmed significantly over the 1961–2021 period, at an average rate of about 0.5 °C per decade. This is the fastest-warming region, according to a report launched this week by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). Extreme temperatures accounted for more than 148 000 lives lost in the European Region in the previous 50 years. In just 1 year since, we lost at least another 15 000 lives.

https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/07 ... ore-deaths