Electric Vehicles

[spooker]

This is what I find so fascinating. Those supporting the social engineering pushing EVs to the forefront genuinely seem to believe their negative consequences of pushing EVs to the forefront should be shared by those who are not pushing EVs to the forefront.

Plenty of us have said Canada should hold off on pushing EVs until we're producing enough rare earth minerals / cobalt here in Canada to supply what we need, or until we have developed better technology that does not require we rely on sourcing those from countries with poor pollution standards and/or labor standards.

In reality, there is no emergency that genuinely requires our government to create even more profitable opportunities for the exploitation of child labor in other countries than already exist, which is a direct consequence of our government inflating the demand for EVs and subsidizing their sale.

Considering the fact that there is another option to batteries that doesn't require cobalt we can reduce emissions and child labour if we continue development and application ...

[The Green Barbarian]

Can't have those kids working in mines, but totally ok to die from climate change? The places where there is child labour are being affected by climate change more than we are in Canada. Seems illogical to promote more pollution speeding up climate change because it will also harm the children...

Die from climate change? Seriously? They are more likely to be killed by the Easter bunny than man made climate change. Good grief what alarmist nonsense.

[The Green Barbarian]

Who's dying from climate change?

No one is dying of man made climate change. This is alarmist nonsense.

[rustled]

So we need to boycott manufacturers that source from the DRC ..

and stop pushing EV cars on everyone.

Yup. When the better technology is properly developed, the government won't have to use our $ to push people to buy them.

[77TA]

Who's dying from climate change?

Heat stress, when the body cannot cool itself, is the leading cause of weather-related death in the European Region. Temperature extremes can also exacerbate chronic conditions, including cardiovascular, respiratory and cerebrovascular diseases, and diabetes-related conditions.

Based on country data submitted so far, it is estimated that at least 15 000 people died specifically due to the heat in 2022. Among those, nearly 4000 deaths in Spain, more than 1000 in Portugal, more than 3200 in the United Kingdom, and around 4500 deaths in Germany were reported by health authorities during the 3 months of summer.

This estimate is expected to increase as more countries report on excess deaths due to heat. For example, France's National Institute of Statistics and Economic Studies (INSEE) reported that more than 11 000 more people died between 1 June and 22 August 2022 compared with the same period in 2019 – the last year before the COVID-19 pandemic. INSEE suggested that these figures were “likely to be explained by the heatwave that occurred in mid-July, after an initial heatwave episode as early as mid-June”.

Temperatures in Europe have warmed significantly over the 1961–2021 period, at an average rate of about 0.5 °C per decade. This is the fastest-warming region, according to a report launched this week by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). Extreme temperatures accounted for more than 148 000 lives lost in the European Region in the previous 50 years. In just 1 year since, we lost at least another 15 000 lives.

https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/07 ... ore-deaths

That was quite a heat wave.
Who's dying of climate change?

[Jlabute]

Can't have those kids working in mines, but totally ok to die from climate change? The places where there is child labour are being affected by climate change more than we are in Canada. Seems illogical to promote more pollution speeding up climate change because it will also harm the children...

Die from climate change? Seriously? They are more likely to be killed by the Easter bunny than man made climate change. Good grief what alarmist nonsense.

Hahahahahaha. Last I heard mankind was doing very well against the elements. Better today than ever. Thankfully it isn't as cold as it was 100 years ago.

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On the flip-side... EVs aren't doing as well. Maybe climate is killing them? lol. Not to mention, the DRC economically provides us with 70% of the worlds cobalt. That equals a lot of kids.

https://www.tesla-fire.com/

[The Green Barbarian]

Hahahahahaha. Last I heard mankind was doing very well against the elements. Better today than ever. Thankfully it isn't as cold as it was 100 years ago.

I will say, of all the big lies that encompass the entire man-made climate change fraud, the one about how the weather is killing people in greater numbers now than in the past just has me shaking my head. How did they pull that one off? People can easily read history, and see weather events going back hundreds of years that killed off thousands and even hundreds of thousands of people, in one big event, and yet for some reason, NOW we have to be worried about dying from man-made climate change. It's just so silly.

There was an audio file from Youtube posted in another thread that was a CBC interview (surprise surprise) in which grown adults were babbling away about how they were experiencing "climate anxiety" because they were scared the evil sky genie of man-made climate change was going to somehow smite them. Good thing these people didn't live in Bangladesh in 1970, or they really would have had something to be scared of. Or in the USA in 1888 when a blizzard killed 400 people.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-his ... he%20storm.

Man-made climate change isn't killing anybody, because it doesn't exist. You are being lied to.

Anyway, it appears that people don't mind blending birds or killing children in this great "fight" against a non-existent boogeyman. Lucky for you that your kids get to go to school every day, instead of dying in a mine producing the crap you need to drive around in your sanctimonious EV.

[spooker]

Hahahahahaha. Last I heard mankind was doing very well against the elements. Better today than ever. Thankfully it isn't as cold as it was 100 years ago.

Yes, we're surviving better ... but that seems to be coming with a higher cost ...

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But to get back to the topic, it seems that we're not surviving the pollution any better as time goes ...

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[77TA]

I'm curious, what constitutes a death from outdoor air pollution?

[Jlabute]

Hahahahahaha. Last I heard mankind was doing very well against the elements. Better today than ever. Thankfully it isn't as cold as it was 100 years ago.

Yes, we're surviving better ... but that seems to be coming with a higher cost ...

1980-2021-US-Billion-dollar-weather-and-climate-disaster-time-series_Apr2022.png

But to get back to the topic, it seems that we're not surviving the pollution any better as time goes ...

annual-deaths-from-outdoor-air-pollution-by-region.png

Higher cost because everything gets more expensive, and more of it. Thankfully, GDP increases at a greater rate than damage caused by weather. It is not climate that is damaging anything. Not as though you can control random weather events. You think if you reduce CO2, hurricanes will head to empty land rather than populated land?
I am skeptical as to how results are gathered in regards to particulate pollution. Probably statistical. Although, since the industrial revolution, people's lifespans are twice what they used to be. So once again, double the life-span, and subtract a few years for pollution.

You are living much longer today because of modern civilization and how we got here, and you're complaining about it? Now we want lots of cobalt and lithium... unfortunately for the increasing number of cobalt miners, this will reduce their lifespan. Cobalt mining yields are not dropping thanks to EVs.

[spooker]

Higher cost because everything gets more expensive, and more of it. Thankfully, GDP increases at a greater rate than damage caused by weather. It is not climate that is damaging anything. Not as though you can control random weather events. You think if you reduce CO2, hurricanes will head to empty land rather than populated land?
I am skeptical as to how results are gathered in regards to particulate pollution. Probably statistical. Although, since the industrial revolution, people's lifespans are twice what they used to be. So once again, double the life-span, and subtract a few years for pollution.

Reduce the amount of energy that stays in the atmosphere through greenhouse gas emissions and bring the instability lower ... more energy == stronger weather events == more damage ...

Here's an article about pollution measurements:
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/featu ... s-measured

You are living much longer today because of modern civilization and how we got here, and you're complaining about it? Now we want lots of cobalt and lithium... unfortunately for the increasing number of cobalt miners, this will reduce their lifespan. Cobalt mining yields are not dropping thanks to EVs.

And yet Cobalt is still coming up even though we have seen manufacturers start to move away from it ... seems like crying "child labour" to us is the same as "climate crisis" to you ...

[Gone_Fishin]

I'm curious, what constitutes a death from outdoor air pollution?

Get run over by a diesel F350, it's a climate change death.

Get run over by a Lightning F150, it's a car accident death.

[Jlabute]

Higher cost because everything gets more expensive, and more of it. Thankfully, GDP increases at a greater rate than damage caused by weather. It is not climate that is damaging anything. Not as though you can control random weather events. You think if you reduce CO2, hurricanes will head to empty land rather than populated land?
I am skeptical as to how results are gathered in regards to particulate pollution. Probably statistical. Although, since the industrial revolution, people's lifespans are twice what they used to be. So once again, double the life-span, and subtract a few years for pollution.

Reduce the amount of energy that stays in the atmosphere through greenhouse gas emissions and bring the instability lower ... more energy == stronger weather events == more damage ...

Here's an article about pollution measurements:
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/featu ... s-measured

You are living much longer today because of modern civilization and how we got here, and you're complaining about it? Now we want lots of cobalt and lithium... unfortunately for the increasing number of cobalt miners, this will reduce their lifespan. Cobalt mining yields are not dropping thanks to EVs.

And yet Cobalt is still coming up even though we have seen manufacturers start to move away from it ... seems like crying "child labour" to us is the same as "climate crisis" to you ...

Well, the fact is, there is no climate crisis, but, there are children in crisis. Weather events are not more frequent or stronger. Certainly the above normal predicted hurricane season did not come true. Weather is random and there is no trend in natural disasters over time.

[spooker]

Well, the fact is, there is no climate crisis, but, there are children in crisis. Weather events are not more frequent or stronger. Certainly the above normal predicted hurricane season did not come true. Weather is random and there is no trend in natural disasters over time.

And we're back to arguing over opinion ... I don't see EVs as the best solution for our many and varied problems but they move us forward in a way that becomes innovative, and sitting on our haunches and pointing at the ICE tech that brought us here just seems lazy ...

As car gained power and speed and more people started dying in collisions I seem to remember it was the government that setup the mandate that seatbelts were required ... took a while before people stopped complaining about that inconvenience ... history repeats itself

While ABS was shown to be a safer technology the manufacturers didn't jump on it immediately and start adding it to cars though the evidence was there ... the industry doesn't move fast, neither does our society, demanding immediate action is just a game really to keep the status quo, it's comfortable eh?

[spooker]

I'm curious, what constitutes a death from outdoor air pollution?

Get run over by a diesel F350, it's a climate change death.

Get run over by a Lightning F150, it's a car accident death.

It's "collision" ...