Electric Vehicles

[Jlabute]

If 300 km range is too much, what range do you consider something everyone in the world should have? Unfortunately, pulling a load like a camper, tools, building materials, or travelling in cold weather might need more capacity to be useful. EV range is already over-stated.

On a daily basis people don't travel more than 50km on average ... for our daily vehicle we don't need 300km ... sure, for those exceptional trips we could get a vehicle that would fit the need ... similar to how I use carshare, yesterday I needed to transport new parts for the bathroom so I got the Nissan NV 200 for an hour ...

One could get a battery that allows a 50km range. It would be less expensive. The problem with smaller batteries is that they will deliver less instantaneous current. The acceleration of your 50km range EV will be impaired compared to other EVs. This too is one of the main reasons people buy EVs; performance. The ability to haul anything is also impaired. Over a short period of full battery cycling, your 50km range will become a 40km range and the EV quickly become less practical. I can’t imagine a vehicle you can’t even take to penticton or vernon. It is literally useless to me and most people. A real 15-minute vehicle, huh? Good luck selling it.

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On a daily basis people don't travel more than 50km on average ... for our daily vehicle we don't need 300km ... sure, for those exceptional trips we could get a vehicle that would fit the need ... similar to how I use carshare, yesterday I needed to transport new parts for the bathroom so I got the Nissan NV 200 for an hour

That's it, EV carshare! Park them everywhere! Get in one, drive 10km, batteries low get out, get in another drive another 5km etc. ... not very practical but at least were saving the environment, I think.

[spooker]

On a daily basis people don't travel more than 50km on average ... for our daily vehicle we don't need 300km ... sure, for those exceptional trips we could get a vehicle that would fit the need ... similar to how I use carshare, yesterday I needed to transport new parts for the bathroom so I got the Nissan NV 200 for an hour

That's it, EV carshare! Park them everywhere! Get in one, drive 10km, batteries low get out, get in another drive another 5km etc. ... not very practical but at least were saving the environment, I think.

Modo has EVs, they're charged up when I pick them up and I plug them back in when done ... never had range issues

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Modo has EVs, they're charged up when I pick them up and I plug them back in when done ... never had range issues

My vision is in 40+ years when EVs are the norm. Seewood's point was good about EVs vs charging stations. If the environment really needs saving like governments are telling us and EVs are the solution then something will be done on a large scale to address the issues coming soon. Maybe one day we'll all drive government issued EVs with swappable batteries replaced at province run EV drive-thru stations. No more my car's better than your car attitude.

[spooker]

Modo has EVs, they're charged up when I pick them up and I plug them back in when done ... never had range issues

My vision is in 40+ years when EVs are the norm. Seewood's point was good about EVs vs charging stations. If the environment really needs saving like governments are telling us and EVs are the solution then something will be done on a large scale to address the issues coming soon. Maybe one day we'll all drive government issued EVs with swappable batteries replaced at province run EV drive-thru stations. No more my car's better than your car attitude.

EVs are not a sustainable solution ... they need to replace ICE vehicles but they don't help the rest of the problems we have around congestion and health ...

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EVs are not a sustainable solution ... they need to replace ICE vehicles but they don't help the rest of the problems we have around congestion and health ...

The lack of ICE vehicles on the road during COVID lockdown showed that air quality improved in some of the largest polluting cities. True it's not a total solution, heavy industry standards need to improve, but I'd rather stand beside a running EV than a ICE vehicle, especially diesel!

[The Green Barbarian]

My vision is in 40+ years when EVs are the norm.

That's a pretty sad vision. Especially if you live in places like Edmonton or Thompson, Manitoba. EV's are never going to be "the norm" in Canada. Why are people so stupid that they can't grasp how batteries and cold weather will never ever work?

Hydrogen is the only alternative that has a chance of becoming "the norm" in this country. EV's are just pure garbage.

[Jlabute]

Yet another sad vision, EVs are being scrapped over minor damage. Governments will soon require special environmental taxes on EVs to cover the higher cost of recycling the batteries and other toxic electrical components.

Insurers are being forced to write off many electric vehicles with only minor damage to battery packs, sending the batteries to scrap yards and hindering the climate benefits of going electric, Reuters reported.

https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/20/sust ... or-damage/

[The Green Barbarian]

Was at a Ford dealership yesterday and walked by the new "Lightning" electric F-150 in the show room. Had a quick look at the sticker price and almost fainted. $122,000!!! For a pick-up truck! Meanwhile, I see gas-powered (or "ice" vehicles as the lunatics call them) F-150's, brand new, going for half that price. Who is going to $122k for a Ford truck?? With half the range of a gas powered vehicle? What are these people thinking???

[Jlabute]

Was at a Ford dealership yesterday and walked by the new "Lightning" electric F-150 in the show room. Had a quick look at the sticker price and almost fainted. $122,000!!! For a pick-up truck! Meanwhile, I see gas-powered (or "ice" vehicles as the lunatics call them) F-150's, brand new, going for half that price. Who is going to $122k for a Ford truck?? With half the range of a gas powered vehicle? What are these people thinking???

Holy Guacamole Batman. I'm not sure Ford even wants sales. I asked them for a price on a "Ranger" (about $50k) 18mo back and they never got back to me. Probably a good thing too. lol.

$122,000 is outrageous for a crippled vehicle. Down-right inconvenient if one ever expects to use it as a work-horse, or to tow a trailer, or do either in the winter. The car companies get enormous subsidies to follow through on electrification. Now only if people wanted this junk.

[Jlabute]

Good luck finding a charging station that doesn't burst in to flames too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... oaded.html

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My vision is in 40+ years when EVs are the norm.

That's a pretty sad vision.

It's not my personal vision, it's what governments will force us to do. I'm just speculating what the future might look like.

Yet another sad vision, EVs are being scrapped over minor damage. Governments will soon require special environmental taxes on EVs to cover the higher cost of recycling the batteries and other toxic electrical components.

Insurers are being forced to write off many electric vehicles with only minor damage to battery packs, sending the batteries to scrap yards and hindering the climate benefits of going electric, Reuters reported.

https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/20/sust ... or-damage/

I heard through the grapevine that some EV dealerships are buying back EVs under warranty with failing batteries to cover-up reliability issues. If true it sounds like the 2000s Mitsubishi cover-up scandal all over again!

[BC Landlord]

This is what battery replacement looks like with EVs. $30k US!
According to the VIN, this is a 2012 Chev Volt. These vehicles have no resale value whatsoever. Ten years into ownership, and with 70k miles on it, they are just junk. So much for "saving the planet".

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[The Green Barbarian]

This is what battery replacement looks like with EVs. $30k US!
According to the VIN, this is a 2012 Chev Volt. These vehicles have no resale value whatsoever. Ten years into ownership, and with 70k miles on it, they are just junk. So much for "saving the planet".
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Where is Boltie to tell us all how much he loves his dying battery-operated car?

[BC Landlord]

This is what battery replacement looks like with EVs. $30k US!
According to the VIN, this is a 2012 Chev Volt. These vehicles have no resale value whatsoever. Ten years into ownership, and with 70k miles on it, they are just junk. So much for "saving the planet".
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Where is Boltie to tell us all how much he loves his dying battery-operated car?

Ever since the dawn of humanity, technology progress has been driven by convenience and cost. Nowadays, it's been replaced by ideology and deceit. The above battery replacement example, point in case. Everything these eco-zealots touch, it's got to have a hefty price tag, and/or a substantial impact on your lifestyle.
This scam just can't continue much longer, unless these ideologues turn into dictators. And I'm afraid, it's getting there.