Electric Vehicles

[Bsuds]

They have to make them in such a way that repair shops stay in business. Shady mechanics will have to come up with a new line to replace "I found metal shavings in the oil pan." ... I bet EV electric motors aren't cheap to replace.

The new line will be "the electrons are turning into protons and need to be replaced."

[seewood]

They really don't make EV batteries to be plug and play or do it yourself.

Nope, when in the fire dept. in an auto extrication exercise, it was stated very clearly to stay away from the orange cables.
But that was 10 years ago, perhaps they have connections easier to manipulate without a potentially fatal shock today.
There are a lot of amps going through those orange cables.

Just bought level 1 electric bikes. First thing I did was disconnect the battery and bring them inside for the night as the sales girl mentioned they don't like to sit in the cold.

[Jlabute]

They have to make them in such a way that repair shops stay in business. Shady mechanics will have to come up with a new line to replace "I found metal shavings in the oil pan." ... I bet EV electric motors aren't cheap to replace.

The new line will be "the electrons are turning into protons and need to be replaced."

Yeah. The neutrons are becoming oldtrons. Don’t worry. Consumers Reports tell us EVs have 150% more problems on average, plus you will probably have to buy a new one whenever there is a battery issue, or the battery gets a scratch. Would you buy an EV that has been in a minor accident, and park it in your garage? EVs will be the new disposable transportation powered by oil and gas as always.

[Jlabute]

The EU cancels their ban on EVs by 2030!!!! This is done of course to save the auto industry, and it will come from a realization the "transition" is impossible. It is UNlikely Trudeau-tatouille can muster a few brain cells to the same determination.

Net Zero Watch welcomed yesterday’s EU agreement not to ban the sale of cars with internal combustion engines (ICE) after 2035.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/eu-ab ... uk-follow/

[BC Landlord]

Net Zero Watch welcomed yesterday’s EU agreement not to ban the sale of cars with internal combustion engines (ICE) after 2035.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/eu-ab ... uk-follow/

Guess what, .. the reality is a bltch.

[The Green Barbarian]

EU was set to ban internal combustion engine cars. Then Germany suddenly changed its mind

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/eu ... dd34&ei=23

[Jlabute]

Lucid is cutting 1300 employees (18% of the workforce) due to nobody wanting EVs.

www.cnbc.com/2023/03/28/lucid-to-cut-1300-workers.html

[The Green Barbarian]

Lucid is cutting 1300 employees (18% of the workforce) due to nobody wanting EVs.

cnbc.com/2023/03/28/lucid-to-cut-1300-workers.html

Sorry that link didn't work, here's another one:

https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/28/lucid ... ructuring/

I think a big signal from the US and Canadian economy is that people just don't have the extra money to spend on exorbitant and unnecessary toys like over-priced EV's that have half the range of real cars. And this is happening, despite our idiot governments continuing to throwing hundreds of billions of tax subsidies at these foolish companies. Stop blowing taxpayer cash subsidizing these bad ideas. Start spending it on policies that will actually benefit mankind. A big ask I know.

[spooker]

A new study:

- Battery replacements are quite rare. In our community of 15,000 cars, only 1.5% have been replaced (outside of big recalls like Chevy Bolt).
- Degradation is not linear. We're including battery degradation curves that illustrate how well these batteries hold up over time. There's some drop in the beginning then it levels out for a long period.
- Most replacements occur under warranty. For example, a new Rivian has battery coverage for 175,000 miles or 10 years. The federal minimum warranty is 8 years or 100,000 miles.

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/ ... eries-last

[Jlabute]

A new study:

- Battery replacements are quite rare. In our community of 15,000 cars, only 1.5% have been replaced (outside of big recalls like Chevy Bolt).
- Degradation is not linear. We're including battery degradation curves that illustrate how well these batteries hold up over time. There's some drop in the beginning then it levels out for a long period.
- Most replacements occur under warranty. For example, a new Rivian has battery coverage for 175,000 miles or 10 years. The federal minimum warranty is 8 years or 100,000 miles.

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/ ... eries-last

So most battery replacements happen in under 8 years? So as 8 years approaches, the value of the vehicle approaches 0, seeing how expensive batteries are. I still wouldn't purchase a used EV.

[The Green Barbarian]

A new study:



https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/ ... eries-last

So most battery replacements happen in under 8 years? So as 8 years approaches, the value of the vehicle approaches 0, seeing how expensive batteries are. I still wouldn't purchase a used EV.

That's how I read it. How do EV owners not understand this? They are driving a depreciating asset (all car owners are) that will literally be worth zero in a very short period of time. Talk about a massive disincentive to buy one of these stupid cars!

I did see someone yesterday driving the new Ford Lightning F150. I just wanted to pull the guy over and ask him what he was thinking.

[nepal]

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For some vehicles that have a battery as part of the drivetrain, they are subject to steep depreciation due to potential battery replacement. Some newer ICE vehicles are very fuel efficient and far less costly to buy. For the extra purchase premium for any sort of EV (Hybrid, PHEV, EV), the extra cost over an ICE may be impossible to recover, unless you drive a lot of km, but this will even further degrade the battery.
For some buyers, just buy an efficient, less-cost ICE, and enjoy being able to get good resale value for it. (I’ve owned both ICE and non-ICE, and I’m currently back to a nice, lower-cost, efficient, dependable, low maintenance, ICE).
Different choices for different folks!
.

[BC Landlord]

That's how I read it. How do EV owners not understand this? They are driving a depreciating asset (all car owners are) that will literally be worth zero in a very short period of time.

We are just about 8 years past the first/early adoption of EVs. So, they ARE coming up for facing the "moment of truth" very soon. It's going to be fun watching their "proud owners" realizing that their EVs are not worth a scrap metal any longer. Let alone logistical nightmare and the cost associated with recycling/disposing of these batteries.
Beer and popcorn ready here ...

[The Green Barbarian]

We are just about 8 years past the first/early adoption of EVs. So, they ARE coming up for facing the "moment of truth" very soon. It's going to be fun watching their "proud owners" realizing that their EVs are not worth a scrap metal any longer. Let alone logistical nightmare and the cost associated with recycling/disposing of these batteries.
Beer and popcorn ready here ...

I tried to have a rational conversation about this very subject with an EV "believer" who kept informing me of his distaste for "ICE" vehicles, and I pointed out the costs of recycling of his giant battery when his beloved Tesla finally died, and he would have none of it. "It's going to cost the same to recycle my Tesla as a standard "ICE" vehicle" - I couldn't believe this guy was naive, but it's so engrained in these kooks that they are the "good guys" because they drive EV's that they can't imagine how much harm to the environment they are actually doing, or going to be doing in the future. They can't accept it, it just goes too much against the narrative that gets them out of the bed every morning. "I'm the good guy". No, you're not. You've swallowed a giant load of BS. That's it.

[BC Landlord]

I couldn't believe this guy was naive, but it's so engrained in these kooks that they are the "good guys" because they drive EV's that they can't imagine how much harm to the environment they are actually doing, or going to be doing in the future. They can't accept it, it just goes too much against the narrative that gets them out of the bed every morning. "I'm the good guy". No, you're not. You've swallowed a giant load of BS. That's it.

Typical of some religious cult. Zero rationality! I can't explain it otherwise.