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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby cyruslosco66 » Sep 28th, 2020, 4:53 pm

OKkayak wrote:
indianlarry66 wrote:Such as ? can rest of us have a look ? :up:

Tesla only warrants their batteries for 8 years, mileage varies depending on the model and they only guarantee that the battery will not degrade past 70% during that time, so for those of you that are mathematically challenged, on a Model 3 Standard Range Plus with 400km range, thats a drop of 120km. New battery will easily cost you $12-15000 plus labour.

New charging port, $1000 plus. Your fancy little iPad, $3000 plus. All common failures.

Tesla has been leading the industry in some of the the most unreliable cars on the road, the industry average is 166 failures per 100 cars and Tesla is leading the pack at 250 failures per 100 cars.

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And thats just initial quality, down the road is when it gets $$$$.



wheres the link to those numbers ?
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby cyruslosco66 » Sep 28th, 2020, 4:54 pm

Tesla has cheaper ev car on the way .

https://insideevs.com/news/446245/tesla ... batteries/
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby cyruslosco66 » Sep 28th, 2020, 4:58 pm

According to this link tesla 5 year maintaining is less than 2000.00.

https://www.motor1.com/reviews/406938/t ... ance-cost/


and with extended warranty a battery is covered .

"Tesla's battery and drive unit warranties are pretty long – up to 8 years and 100,000 or 150,000 miles depending on the model. However, the basic bumper-to-bumper warranty only lasts for 4 years or 50,000 miles. "
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby OKkayak » Sep 28th, 2020, 5:15 pm

indianlarry66 wrote:wheres the link to those numbers ?

As far as the graph goes, the source is right on the header of the graph. Tablets, just Google Tesla MCU and you'll have a wealth of info into the cost of one of those gimmicky toys.

Tesla is not alone with this garbage, VW is pushing the gimmicky trend as well, replacing vital funcitions from tactic controls such knobs and buttons to haptic sliders and its gonna be expensive to fix if you're planning on keeping the car. Not to mention, the ridiculous level of distraction these obnoxious screens provide to the driver, but hey, thats OK, we'll add all this "safety" nonsense that'll cost you even more money to fix and replace.

By the way, the NHSTA is investigating Tesla for screen failures but they claim thats "normal" over time, regardless, they'll offer you software upgrades for $2500 if you're out of your pathetic 1 year warranty for such a vital part of the car.
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby cyruslosco66 » Sep 28th, 2020, 5:38 pm

we must be in two different universes because all my research shows you can get a warranty to cover the big charges including the batt.

As far as im concerned it has been clearly shown a ev has less costs over a 5 year period and even more over 10 years .

I dont really see any debate over something so plain to see .
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby OKkayak » Sep 28th, 2020, 8:51 pm

indianlarry66 wrote:we must be in two different universes because all my research shows you can get a warranty to cover the big charges including the batt.

The research they do in your Universe needs to be worked on, the battery nor the drivetrain is included in Tesla's Extended Service Agreement.

Tesla's extended warranty only covers parts that are normally covered under the lesser original warranty like the MCU, but be prepared to pay, their extended warranty can cost you over $6000 if you opt for it right away and it'll cost you even more if you opt to purchase it 180 days after you purchase the car.

You know how much the extended warranty on my Corolla cost me, the one that goes above and beyond Tesla's offering? $700 and with basic maintenance, which costs a couple of hundred bucks a year over the lifetime of the car, I don't have to worry about a 70% or drop in my vehicles performance. Had I bought the car today, I'd also get 4 years of free maintenance.

So lets see, $6000 minus $700 equals $5300. To completely fill up my car with fuel, it averages about $50 and I fuel up once a month, $5300 divided by $50 is 106, so thats 106 months of fuel I can get for the same price of Tesla's extended warranty. 106 months is almost 9 years. I'll still be getting free fuel after the extended warranty has on an overpriced iPad on wheels has expired [icon_lol2.gif] [icon_lol2.gif] [icon_lol2.gif]
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby cyruslosco66 » Sep 28th, 2020, 9:19 pm

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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby cyruslosco66 » Sep 29th, 2020, 10:04 am

Tesla gets 134 ev truck order from Walmart USA



https://electrek.co/2020/09/29/tesla-ts ... s-walmart/
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby OKkayak » Sep 29th, 2020, 4:44 pm

indianlarry66 wrote:Tesla gets 134 ev truck order from Walmart USA



https://electrek.co/2020/09/29/tesla-ts ... s-walmart/

So, does that now make Walmart a socially acceptable place to shop in the eyes of the virtuous?
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby cyruslosco66 » Sep 29th, 2020, 6:49 pm

OKkayak wrote:
indianlarry66 wrote:Tesla gets 134 ev truck order from Walmart USA



https://electrek.co/2020/09/29/tesla-ts ... s-walmart/

So, does that now make Walmart a socially acceptable place to shop in the eyes of the virtuous?




Coulnt care less, but what it does mean is Walmart will save money and Tesla will make money and keep people employed .
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby GordonH » Sep 29th, 2020, 7:26 pm

I’ve never walked through the doors of a walmart so far, with absolutely no plans of changing that. Every were it goes it kills small businesses.
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby cyruslosco66 » Sep 29th, 2020, 10:18 pm

Tesla has a new battery in production that could double the time between changes and is more reliable .

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/28/ba ... tters/amp/
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby TylerM4 » Sep 30th, 2020, 9:57 am

indianlarry66 wrote:Tesla has a new battery in production that could double the time between changes and is more reliable .

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/28/ba ... tters/amp/


Tesla is making way more fuss over this new design than it deserves. It's basically the same old battery with a small design tweek to optimize. There has been a solution to that same problem for years (use more smaller cells vs less larger cells). This is another take on that same concept. They call it a tabless battery, but more accurate would be to call it a continuous tab or multi-tab battery.

That article claims you won't have to cool the battery. I would take that with a grain of salt - cool it less for sure, but it'll still generate heat and may require some consideration for cooling. It might allow them to use passive vs active cooling for example but not if they actually want to capitalize on the opportunity for faster charging times. Remove the cooling, or have it charge 2x as fast - they can have one or the other not both.
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby cyruslosco66 » Sep 30th, 2020, 10:38 am

The way it explained they can have their cake and eat it to .

i see zero reason to doubt what they claim . they explain why they call it tabless and why it works . there is no voodoo it pure physics .
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Re: Electric Vehicles

Postby Jlabute » Sep 30th, 2020, 11:46 am

The tab-less cell would be an incremental improvement, although they are not being manufactured yet and nothing is expected for another 3 years. The "4680" battery is a new larger format so there is less wasted chemical storage space with a new internal structure of collecting internal foil tabs and welding them. If it does happen, there will be small improvements in the storage capacity, a change in cost whether higher or lower is yet to be determined, and fewer cells will be required since they are larger. This battery still requires an inordinate amount of time to charge. If lithium battery capacity increases, the charging time increase. That is physics. In fact, people are already complaining that the new 250KW superchargers-V3 make only a few minutes difference in charge time. Lithium charging is complicated and slow and always will be.
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