Electric Vehicles

[GordonH]

^^^ looking forward to seeing first E-Tanks roll off down the road.

[I Think]

They already have battery powered excavators, but tanks are last war, next war will be robots, drones and fake news.

Tanks, trucks etc are not efficient uses of batteries, and batteries are going to be in high demand for the rest of your life.

[GordonH]

They already have battery powered excavators, but tanks are last war, next war will be robots, drones and fake news.

Tanks, trucks etc are not efficient uses of batteries, and batteries are going to be in high demand for the rest of your life.

You can keep your batteries

[Jlabute]

They already have battery powered excavators, but tanks are last war, next war will be robots, drones and fake news.

Tanks, trucks etc are not efficient uses of batteries, and batteries are going to be in high demand for the rest of your life.

“They” is an exceedingly small number of people who decided to inconvenience themselves.
As far as I know, every war has fake news. It sure helped in WW2. Anything that can be controlled remotely is in danger of losing its satellite from a non-electric missile. Of course batteries will always be around but the chemistry will change. Thousands of scientists are frantically looking for something better as we speak.

[I Think]

They already have battery powered excavators, but tanks are last war, next war will be robots, drones and fake news.

Tanks, trucks etc are not efficient uses of batteries, and batteries are going to be in high demand for the rest of your life.

“They” is an exceedingly small number of people who decided to inconvenience themselves.
As far as I know, every war has fake news. It sure helped in WW2. Anything that can be controlled remotely is in danger of losing its satellite from a non-electric missile. Of course batteries will always be around but the chemistry will change. Thousands of scientists are frantically looking for something better as we speak.

Watts up with your current charge to spark distrust of electrons, your circuitous drive to amp up negative feelings seems to be terminal, shorts in ICE car brake wiring, or negative regard for all things electric including excavators is shocking.
Is your resistive opinion caused by negative feelings about your ohm's EMF affecting your ram, do you not have the capacitance to overcome the chip on your shoulder ?

PS drones and robots do not have to be dependent on satellites, and waiting for the next battery is reminiscent of not buying a computer in the '80's because they were developing so fast that they would be out of date by the time you got one home.

[Jlabute]

That's right, I do have a chip on my shoulder. That chip was implanted when a false economy was created by politicians in response to a non-emergency problem. This has cracked in to a chasm where all sorts of media make incredible non-scientific claims about climate to sway public opinion with misinformation. Climate is the study of why the earth has gradually warmed by 0.1c every 10 years which started before CO2 was increasing. In a chaotic complex system scientists have no proof or even a theory of how climate affects weather. They don't even understand climate. Not to mention, strong weather events have always happened. Everything weather or poor planning is now blamed on climate. Politicians knee-jerk to this and rush EV mandates. It is all based on a lie.

Well, the chips on my shoulder have bypass capacitors but the batteries themselves have an ever increasing internal resistance causing issues of convenience, cost, and destruction. There is not much chemistry happening with certain batteries and me. I prefer to let them passivate until something better shows up. Batteries these days have more dendrites than many brains.

[I Think]

Electric vehicles have fewer moving parts, and almost no reciprocating high wear parts driven by explosions.
They clearly represent lower cost more efficient means of transport, the fact that they are also cleaner and less polluting is a bonus.
PS: Dendrites in batteries = short circuits
not sure about dentritic brains but folded amyloids are open myelination circuits in the brain.

[Jlabute]

Electric vehicles have fewer moving parts, and almost no reciprocating high wear parts driven by explosions.
They clearly represent lower cost more efficient means of transport, the fact that they are also cleaner and less polluting is a bonus.
PS: Dendrites in batteries = short circuits
not sure about dentritic brains but folded amyloids are open myelination circuits in the brain.

Brain cells have dendrites :-)

Absolutely, cars have more mechanical moving parts. Lets say ICE cars have twice as many mechanical parts, while EVs have twice as many electronic parts. Mechanical parts are inexpensive and easy to machine if you had to. Electronic parts tend to be relatively fragile, especially electrolytic capacitors. PCB replacements tend to be quite expensive. I don’t see EVs being so cheap yet for upfront costs. Li-ion batteries will get a little more expensive as demand increases while supply does not. An EV has a lot more copper which is pricier than steel. They are cleaner so long as everything can be recycled and power is hydro. I’d rather wait.

I suppose the question is, how much is each person willing to spend upfront to maybe clean up a drop of co2, and what sorts of inconvenience it will mean, and the types of vehicles are available, and how reliable they are (seeing CR doesn’t give a glowing report)

What I will buy though, would be an eSUV with good towing capacity, a 400kwh battery that’ll charge in 3 minutes, has good reliability ratings, and costs as much as a typical Honda CRV. We’re almost there. Once this sort of vehicle is available, then a city won’t need 50,000 chargers everywhere.

[foenix]

That's right, I do have a chip on my shoulder. That chip was implanted when a false economy was created by politicians in response to a non-emergency problem. This has cracked in to a chasm where all sorts of media make incredible non-scientific claims about climate to sway public opinion with misinformation. Climate is the study of why the earth has gradually warmed by 0.1c every 10 years which started before CO2 was increasing. In a chaotic complex system scientists have no proof or even a theory of how climate affects weather. They don't even understand climate. Not to mention, strong weather events have always happened. Everything weather or poor planning is now blamed on climate. Politicians knee-jerk to this and rush EV mandates. It is all based on a lie.

What does this have to do with E-vehicles? Come on over to the climate thread and let's

[spooker]

Electric vehicles have fewer moving parts, and almost no reciprocating high wear parts driven by explosions.
They clearly represent lower cost more efficient means of transport, the fact that they are also cleaner and less polluting is a bonus.
PS: Dendrites in batteries = short circuits
not sure about dentritic brains but folded amyloids are open myelination circuits in the brain.

Brain cells have dendrites :-)

Absolutely, cars have more mechanical moving parts. Lets say ICE cars have twice as many mechanical parts, while EVs have twice as many electronic parts. Mechanical parts are inexpensive and easy to machine if you had to. Electronic parts tend to be relatively fragile, especially electrolytic capacitors. PCB replacements tend to be quite expensive. I don’t see EVs being so cheap yet for upfront costs. Li-ion batteries will get a little more expensive as demand increases while supply does not. An EV has a lot more copper which is pricier than steel. They are cleaner so long as everything can be recycled and power is hydro. I’d rather wait.

Actually an ICE vehicle has 10x the number of moving parts ... and considering the computational power required to run the fuel injection systems in current vehicles along with all the other bells and whistles I don't think there will be much difference with the electronics between both

https://www.greencarfuture.com/electric ... ving-parts

I suppose the question is, how much is each person willing to spend upfront to maybe clean up a drop of co2, and what sorts of inconvenience it will mean, and the types of vehicles are available, and how reliable they are (seeing CR doesn’t give a glowing report)

What I will buy though, would be an eSUV with good towing capacity, a 400kwh battery that’ll charge in 3 minutes, has good reliability ratings, and costs as much as a typical Honda CRV. We’re almost there. Once this sort of vehicle is available, then a city won’t need 50,000 chargers everywhere.

And that's the reason that the government has been offering the rebates, to help the early adopters ... as we've seen with all new tech, once we get over the tipping point the price will drop drastically ... getting to that tipping point is the challenge

[I Think]

Tesla accounted for 10.5% of all auto sales in the Golden State in the 4th quarter of 2021, up from 4.8% in the 4th quarter of 2020. It went from 21,290 registrations in Q4 2020 to 39,040 registrations in Q4 2021.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/02/14/te ... h-quarter/

[Bsuds]

Tesla accounted for 10.5% of all auto sales in the Golden State in the 4th quarter of 2021, up from 4.8% in the 4th quarter of 2020. It went from 21,290 registrations in Q4 2020 to 39,040 registrations in Q4 2021.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/02/14/te ... h-quarter/

More cars to recall...

[I Think]

Tesla accounted for 10.5% of all auto sales in the Golden State in the 4th quarter of 2021, up from 4.8% in the 4th quarter of 2020. It went from 21,290 registrations in Q4 2020 to 39,040 registrations in Q4 2021.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/02/14/te ... h-quarter/

More cars to recall...

Go to your room.
Tesla recalls usually are just for software and they are done while you sleep.

[Bsuds]

Go to your room.
Tesla recalls usually are just for software and they are done while you sleep.

Oh, you mean like Windows updates...we all kow how they go!

[I Think]

Go to your room.
Tesla recalls usually are just for software and they are done while you sleep.

Oh, you mean like Windows updates...we all kow how they go!

Heh, you got your positive folks,
and you got your positively negative folks.