EV batteries last longer than expected.

[I Think]

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/16/go ... -expected/

When we bought our Prius, we were concerned about the cost of battery replacement, now that we have learned a little more, we find that Prius batteries never need replacement.

[LovemyBolt]

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/16/go ... -expected/

When we bought our Prius, we were concerned about the cost of battery replacement, now that we have learned a little more, we find that Prius batteries never need replacement.

Nice find. The wild hysterics from the nay-sayers seem centred around cost of full replacement and having to do that the day after the warranty expires. Ridiculous.

[Jlabute]

The Prius is a hybrid, unlike the NISSAN leaf. So unless the battery blows up, it would never need to be replaced. Of course, its battery capacity accelerates towards zero which makes it less useful, but thankfully you have a gasoline tank. Half the rated capacity in a leaf is tiny. The leaf never had much range to begin with. This does not directly translate to a Prius. Batteries won't last as long depending how you charge them. The old NISSAN Leaf had a range of 117km. Half of that after 10 years is... crappy. lol.

It also depends how much you recharge the battery. Just like a cellphone, tablet or anything else with a Li-ion battery, continued recharging reduces its capacity.

EVs tend to be secondary vehicles and not used as much as gasoline vehicles.

[LovemyBolt]

The Prius is a hybrid, unlike the NISSAN leaf. So unless the battery blows up, it would never need to be replaced. Of course, its battery capacity accelerates towards zero which makes it less useful, but thankfully you have a gasoline tank. Half the rated capacity in a leaf is tiny. The leaf never had much range to begin with. This does not directly translate to a Prius. Batteries won't last as long depending how you charge them. The old NISSAN Leaf had a range of 117km. Half of that after 10 years is... crappy. lol.

It also depends how much you recharge the battery. Just like a cellphone, tablet or anything else with a Li-ion battery, continued recharging reduces its capacity.

EVs tend to be secondary vehicles and not used as much as gasoline vehicles.

A hybrid has a small amount of battery range (and/or speed?). And look at that, have we ever heard of a Prius battery blowing up? And sure after many years the range may go down. I'd be interested in I Think's range comments.
I also don't think we've heard of zero battery in EV's yet either. The Leaf and the Tesla made this all a little more mainstream since 2012. Telsa became the monied status symbol and took off with the market making other manufacturers sit up and take notice. And here we are when apple pie and Chevrolet make an EV. About as mainstream as one could want for mainstreaming.

"tend" is a useful word to use for generalizing :) but we are a one car household and get along just fine with the EV.

[Glacier]

Electric cars and plug-in hybrids will be the only cars allowed to be sold in Canada in 12 and a half years. We will all be driving electric in 40 years at the latest.

[LovemyBolt]

Electric cars and plug-in hybrids will be the only cars allowed to be sold in Canada in 12 and a half years. We will all be driving electric in 40 years at the latest.

New. What are they gonna do...cops show up with a tow truck and haul your gasser away? Hardly.

[hozzle]

At the end of the vehicle’s life—15 or 20 years down the road—you take the battery out of the car, and it’s still healthy, perhaps 60 or 70% of usable charge

I guess you don't have to replace it... if you are lucky and if it still works @ 70% you are good to go?

[Jlabute]

The Prius is a hybrid, unlike the NISSAN leaf. So unless the battery blows up, it would never need to be replaced. Of course, its battery capacity accelerates towards zero which makes it less useful, but thankfully you have a gasoline tank. Half the rated capacity in a leaf is tiny. The leaf never had much range to begin with. This does not directly translate to a Prius. Batteries won't last as long depending how you charge them. The old NISSAN Leaf had a range of 117km. Half of that after 10 years is... crappy. lol.

It also depends how much you recharge the battery. Just like a cellphone, tablet or anything else with a Li-ion battery, continued recharging reduces its capacity.

EVs tend to be secondary vehicles and not used as much as gasoline vehicles.

A hybrid has a small amount of battery range (and/or speed?). And look at that, have we ever heard of a Prius battery blowing up? And sure after many years the range may go down. I'd be interested in I Think's range comments.
I also don't think we've heard of zero battery in EV's yet either. The Leaf and the Tesla made this all a little more mainstream since 2012. Telsa became the monied status symbol and took off with the market making other manufacturers sit up and take notice. And here we are when apple pie and Chevrolet make an EV. About as mainstream as one could want for mainstreaming.

"tend" is a useful word to use for generalizing :) but we are a one car household and get along just fine with the EV.

Sure, it's not as though they don't catch on fire. Hybrids catch on fire more often due to their combination of electric/gas drive trains. I would think a hybrid battery is not charged/discharged as hard as a battery only vehicle. The harder you charge it, the faster it charges, and the shorter a lifespan it has, generally. Hybrids have tiny batteries. Yet, some will charge an arm and a leg for these tiny batteries, especially if they are old.

[Jlabute]

Electric cars and plug-in hybrids will be the only cars allowed to be sold in Canada in 12 and a half years. We will all be driving electric in 40 years at the latest.

I think there are a lot of variables at play. First, no one wants to build lithium mines. There are not enough raw materials to build EVs for all. There is not enough power generation and infrastructure. The cost of EVs has yet to drop. Unfortunately, the EV mandates will only work if they can make these vehicles half the price they are today, and lithium carbonate jumped 600% in price. Lithium will be expensive for at least to the end of 2030, or maybe forever... because of the war on fossil fuels AND mining and exploration.

The mandate has no teeth, I don't see any mandate taking grab in 12 1/2 years. I don't think I see it in 40 years either with the current technology. In order to have everyone in an EV in 40 years we need some battery breakthroughs and move away from lithium. Microelectronics production has to ramp up to support double the electronic parts in EVs, 4x as much copper, and all sorts of raw materials are needed. Maybe 50 or 60 years. lol.

[hozzle]

Castanet found one, too.

[LovemyBolt]

Oh good. In a way glad to see yet others that might be catching fire. I wonder if those causes were battery or something else. I'm not interested in collision caused as all cars can blow up. Looks like Toyota did their own large-scale recall too.
Still...ICEV per capita still more fires. Then these hybrids. Then finally BEV's with the fewest per capita.

[hozzle]

Oh good. In a way glad to see yet others that might be catching fire. I wonder if those causes were battery or something else. I'm not interested in collision caused as all cars can blow up. Looks like Toyota did their own large-scale recall too.
Still...ICEV per capita still more fires. Then these hybrids. Then finally BEV's with the fewest per capita.

You asked...

LovemyBolt post_id=3082172 time=1663358977 user_id=543092]
... "And look at that, have we ever heard of a Prius battery blowing up? ..."

... and we answered.


Nice pivot you did there, lol.

[Bsuds]

Electric cars and plug-in hybrids will be the only cars allowed to be sold in Canada in 12 and a half years. We will all be driving electric in 40 years at the latest.

No I won't.

I'll be gone before that.

[LovemyBolt]

You asked...

LovemyBolt post_id=3082172 time=1663358977 user_id=543092]
... "And look at that, have we ever heard of a Prius battery blowing up? ..."

... and we answered.


Nice pivot you did there, lol.

Uh..yeah...I acknowledged.
I was not aware of Prius fires and I find it very interesting that they're not listed in that large Wikipedia article. Is Toyota on top of Wikipedia editing?
And this isn't the bickering sub-forum.

[hozzle]

You asked...

LovemyBolt post_id=3082172 time=1663358977 user_id=543092]
... "And look at that, have we ever heard of a Prius battery blowing up? ..."

... and we answered.


Nice pivot you did there, lol.

Uh..yeah...I acknowledged.
I was not aware of Prius fires and I find it very interesting that they're not listed in that large Wikipedia article. Is Toyota on top of Wikipedia editing?
And this isn't the bickering sub-forum.

Cool...
as a side note, enlightenment and adding useful information is not bickering, IMHO.