EV batteries last longer than expected.

[LovemyBolt]

Cool...
as a side note, enlightenment and adding useful information is not bickering, IMHO.

A little more reading...the non-plug-in Prius is NiMH. The plug-in is LiIon. Still no mention of fires. I'm having a hard time finding non-impact fires.
I wasn't saying you were bickering. I agree with several things several people say. But I'll pipe in when I think something is a mis-perception.

[alanjh595]

Electric cars and plug-in hybrids will be the only cars allowed to be sold in Canada in 12 and a half years. We will all be driving electric in 40 years at the latest.

No I won't.

I'll be gone before that.

Me too.

[forum]

In 40 years the landfills will be filled with decommissioned solar panels, windmills, and batteries. They will be toxic landscapes.

[I Think]

For my own use I bought a Nissan Leaf Battery, disassembled it and am using modules out of the Leaf battery to power a small tractor, a passenger capable ebike, which has a massive range, and am planning to power a second tractor with more of the modules, 10 of the modules are being used as a power reservoir to power an off grid cabin.
All of this from a car battery that was considered a little to depleted to power a car.
Again we seem to be hitting a series of strongly held uninformed opinion, often coupled with right wing talking points.

[LovemyBolt]

In 40 years the landfills will be filled with decommissioned solar panels, windmills, and batteries. They will be toxic landscapes.

And the tar sands?...

[LovemyBolt]

For my own use I bought a Nissan Leaf Battery, disassembled it and am using modules out of the Leaf battery to power a small tractor, a passenger capable ebike, which has a massive range, and am planning to power a second tractor with more of the modules, 10 of the modules are being used as a power reservoir to power an off grid cabin.
All of this from a car battery that was considered a little to depleted to power a car.
Again we seem to be hitting a series of strongly held uninformed opinion, often coupled with right wing talking points.

Nice work! Awesome.
I'm trying my best to pipe in with what I know from experience (and barely acquiring knowledge) to dispel those seemingly uninformed opinions.
The right wing talking points are always pro-corporate, anti-government, regressive talking points.

[YzzzR1]

Sounds like some are still trying to convince themselves of the benefits of EVs. Unfortunately, they are still too limited for most users, especially in such a large country as Canada. Commuter and runabouts are where they're at for most people, anyone else is SOL.

[LovemyBolt]

Sounds like some are still trying to convince themselves of the benefits of EVs. Unfortunately, they are still too limited for most users, especially in such a large country as Canada. Commuter and runabouts are where they're at for most people, anyone else is SOL.

I don't need to convince myself, I'm here. I don't have a problem traveling with an EV. There are lots of chargers at hotels for overnight stays. There are lots of fast chargers around for the days driving.
And the vast majority of car use in general is for commuting and running about. So fine.

[Urban Cowboy]

Sounds like some are still trying to convince themselves of the benefits of EVs. Unfortunately, they are still too limited for most users, especially in such a large country as Canada. Commuter and runabouts are where they're at for most people, anyone else is SOL.

I don't need to convince myself, I'm here. I don't have a problem traveling with an EV. There are lots of chargers at hotels for overnight stays. There are lots of fast chargers around for the days driving.
And the vast majority of car use in general is for commuting and running about. So fine.

The post you responded to specifically stated that EV's are great as commuters and runabouts.

How often have you driven your EV to say Edmonton, in the winter time during a cold snap? Oh and I mean as in driving there directly, not stopping at a hotel in Salmon Arm, Revelstoke, Golden, etc. to take advantage of their charging stations, if they even have one.

That's the kind of driving in Canada that they aren't very suited for, well unless perhaps you are towing a portable generator, and dozen gas cans to run it. Even still you'd have much more travel time, than someone with a gas engine who's able to drive there directly.

If I wish to visit family in Red Deer, I want to drive straight there in 7-8hrs, not stop for forced restaurant visits, because I have to kill time while my EV charges.

[LovemyBolt]

The post you responded to specifically stated that EV's are great as commuters and runabouts.

How often have you driven your EV to say Edmonton, in the winter time during a cold snap? Oh and I mean as in driving there directly, not stopping at a hotel in Salmon Arm, Revelstoke, Golden, etc. to take advantage of their charging stations, if they even have one.

That's the kind of driving in Canada that they aren't very suited for, well unless perhaps you are towing a portable generator, and dozen gas cans to run it. Even still you'd have much more travel time, than someone with a gas engine who's able to drive there directly.

If I wish to visit family in Red Deer, I want to drive straight there in 7-8hrs, not stop for forced restaurant visits, because I have to kill time while my EV charges.

And I acknowledged that by saying "so fine".

I only have family down at the coast.

So I planned it all out if I were to go to Edmonton. Which I would not hesitate to do.
Using Google Maps and a mix between just city and specific fast charger locations.
Let's say I leave in the morning around 8 with a full "tank". Let's say it's cold and I'm being affected by half my alleged range of 415km. So 200ish km. Not likely that low but that's the scenario I'm running for you here. I think it might be more like a 1/4 or 1/3 less range in the cold (thereabouts). I did not analyze the charger speeds at each stop.
Google Maps says 9.5 hours via Calgary and 894km.
Kelowna to Revelstoke 198 km 2 hours. Say a 1 hour charge. 11am (3 hours in)
Revelstoke to Field 202 km 2 1/4 hours. Have lunch and say an hour charge. time changes to 3:15 (6 1/4 hours in)
Field to Royal Vista 202 km 2 hours. An hour charge. 6:15 (9 1/4 hours in)
Royal Vista to Red Deer 140 km 1 1/4. Have some dinner (maybe could have in Royal Vista) and a half hour charge to get to Edmonton 8pm (11 hours in)
Red Deer to Canadian Tire Edmonton south. 151km 1 1/2 hours. 9:30pm (12 1/2 hours) This would very likely leave a good bit of juice to get to your final destination where you could plug in to their power. Toss them 5 bucks and call it square. They'll toss it back anyway.

I could live with that. What's the rush? Maybe even have a nap to rest along the way. Relax and take it easy. Stay fresh and safe for the continuing drive.

That 9.5 hours of course does NOT include food and bio and gas. I suppose there are some people that will just pound it out straight through. Dangerously eat behind the wheel. Hold it until they stop for food or gas. Or do like truckers do. Yeah, my kinda fun.

[Catsumi]

If possible any more, I would use the train instead.

[LovemyBolt]

If possible any more, I would use the train instead.

Did your horse die and your buggy burn down? :)

[Catsumi]

Haha… ^^^^

Things such as getting from A to B are now so complicated that my horse-buggy combo are in great demand. No fires set by those who disagree, yet!

For longer distances as Kelowna to far-off wonderlands such as RED DEER [!] might be better approached by use of the Iron Horse, if it hasn’t been retired as a mode of travel, with coaches and sleeping berths. If so, one can always hop onto the roofs of cattle cars, enjoy the view from on high, enjoy the fresh air.

If this travel within Canada and the mess it has become lately, try booking trip to Japan avoiding all things Canadian.

[LovemyBolt]

Haha… ^^^^

Things such as getting from A to B are now so complicated that my horse-buggy combo are in great demand. No fires set by those who disagree, yet!

For longer distances as Kelowna to far-off wonderlands such as RED DEER [!] might be better approached by use of the Iron Horse, if it hasn’t been retired as a mode of travel, with coaches and sleeping berths. If so, one can always hop onto the roofs of cattle cars, enjoy the view from on high, enjoy the fresh air.

If this travel within Canada and the mess it has become lately, try booking trip to Japan avoiding all things Canadian.

So I looked for kicks. ViaRail doesn't come here for starters. So you gotta spend a couple hours getting to Kamloops. Then it's all of almost 17 hours to get to Edmonton. Yow.

[Catsumi]

Wasn’t going that way in any case, just thoughts in rail travel that used to be reliable, but now on how complicated in this new and exciting world, where things were to go faster, better and smoother, now requires mapping out breaks to coincide with battery boosts.

So, what’s better? What has improved getting from A to B? To me, it still looks like horse, buggy days.