EV batteries last longer than expected.

[LovemyBolt]

Wasn’t going that way in any case, just thoughts in rail travel that used to be reliable, but now on how complicated in this new and exciting world, where things were to go faster, better and smoother, now requires mapping out breaks to coincide with battery boosts.

So, what’s better? What has improved getting from A to B? To me, it still looks like horse, buggy days.

Paying. Less. For. The. Energy.
Maybe some day it will be "Check your battery - 150km to the next charger"

[Catsumi]

Wasn’t going that way in any case, just thoughts in rail travel that used to be reliable, but now on how complicated in this new and exciting world, where things were to go faster, better and smoother, now requires mapping out breaks to coincide with battery boosts.

So, what’s better? What has improved getting from A to B? To me, it still looks like horse, buggy days.

Paying. Less. For. The. Energy.
Maybe some day it will be "Check your battery - 150km to the next charger"

I do, honestly wish you well dealing with the new gizmos that promise more than they can deliver, for now.

Perhaps in the far-off future those miracles of travel that as a 6th grader we were told to expect in our lifetimes that everyone would have their own private plane that travelled at warp speed with not a mention of how it was to be powered. Sounds great but in 60 years not even close to solving problems

Not only do we hassle with silly federal govts hindering power sources (oil-gas] but crippling taxes to fly that private plane.

Remember when diesel or whatever it was, was the big next thing to make travel easier and cheaper? Believing that, truck owners spent extravagantly to hitch onto that big, wonderful, cheaper thing. Now, it is a comedy of the past

So, today, you are blessed with ‘cheap hydro’, govt funded charging stations, and the big incentives to buy now, get a big discount, beat the crowds wanting the same item….and what do we have? Yes, more problems to deal with….battery recharging issues, fires, and these batteries aren’t what they were cracked up to be. And oh yes, distances. What a joy to pull in every couple of hours in hopes of recharging before dark.

Yes,. Recharging cheap now, but wait until there are more in line waiting for the same electrons.

Horse, buggy….doesn’t look so bad now.

[LovemyBolt]

I do, honestly wish you well dealing with the new gizmos that promise more than they can deliver, for now.

Perhaps in the far-off future those miracles of travel that as a 6th grader we were told to expect in our lifetimes that everyone would have their own private plane that travelled at warp speed with not a mention of how it was to be powered. Sounds great but in 60 years not even close to solving problems

Not only do we hassle with silly federal govts hindering power sources (oil-gas] but crippling taxes to fly that private plane.

Remember when diesel or whatever it was, was the big next thing to make travel easier and cheaper? Believing that, truck owners spent extravagantly to hitch onto that big, wonderful, cheaper thing. Now, it is a comedy of the past

So, today, you are blessed with ‘cheap hydro’, govt funded charging stations, and the big incentives to buy now, get a big discount, beat the crowds wanting the same item….and what do we have? Yes, more problems to deal with….battery recharging issues, fires, and these batteries aren’t what they were cracked up to be. And oh yes, distances. What a joy to pull in every couple of hours in hopes of recharging before dark.

Yes,. Recharging cheap now, but wait until there are more in line waiting for the same electrons.

Horse, buggy….doesn’t look so bad now.

I guess it's all just different strokes. I don't mind being more engaged with the car. I enjoy driving. Not just the drudge of getting to the destination. A little like a manual transmission...you're just more connected to the car. Not just gas, brake and steer. I don't mind the technological advances. Although diagnosing and fixing quickly becomes out of reach for the average shade tree mechanic unlike what all could be done with older cars.

I think "cheap hydro" will be with us for a while. Certainly cheaper than gas.
While there are many gov't funded charging stations, there are not that many level 2 chargers that are free to use. They're around though. There are about zero fast chargers that are free to use. One of them does do free on occasion.
Yes I enjoyed some incentives.
I'm not sure what you define as battery recharging issues.
There have been very very few fires of late in any brand. Still way less than ICEV per capita.
Recharging before dark? In the example above of Edmonton, in the winter, what do they get 7 or so hours? What does dark have to do with it?
Most normal people will stop and eat and bio or at least stretch the legs every few hours. So that's not anything terribly unusual. And if you're as old as your above future scenarios then those are activities you need to do more often.
There are already "lines". So to continue on ones way you go over to the other charger somewhere close by. The answer to that is faster charging or more chargers. Keep in mind, when I talk of chargers, I mean fast chargers.

I would never want to house and feed and pick up after any dang horse. No. That holds no attraction to me. It does, did and will look bad.

[Catsumi]

In your future years, say 30-40 years hence when things aren't living up to their much-touted hoopla of today, you too might be saying “that was pie-in-the-sky, without a doubt”. Then the phrase ‘the more things change, the more they stay the same’.

So, you don’t want to pick up horse puckies and use them to garden, but you’re willing to see thousands of hectares of forest drowned in efforts to make more hydro for your wonder-car.

You mention stick-shift. Couldn’t agree more. Wish cars manufactured today were more along those lines rather than automatic. Better control and you are driving the car, not the car driving you. Big difference. For one, I believe in KISS philosophy when it comes to repairs and maintenance. It shouldn’t require a priest, a magician and a mechanic to ‘fix’ the ride.

Anyway, reconsider the joys of free-falling horse-shhite, as it does have many benefits that an EV couldn’t ever drop in your favour.

Good night …sleep well

[LovemyBolt]

So, you don’t want to pick up horse puckies and use them to garden, but you’re willing to see thousands of hectares of forest drowned in efforts to make more hydro for your wonder-car.

Anyway, reconsider the joys of free-falling horse-shhite, as it does have many benefits that an EV couldn’t ever drop in your favour.

No. I have serious reservations of hydro generation. Nuclear baby. But that seems to be politically incorrect nowadays. All of this is way above my pay grade anyway. I vote for representatives that wish to be of help and service to the vast majority of people, not corporations and the rich. If they were to propose nuclear then have at it.

Your continuing talk about horses is just silly. Never. Who would realistically want to do that anyway unless you have some weird religious fanaticism that prohibits you from using machines.

[I Think]

In 40 years the landfills will be filled with decommissioned solar panels, windmills, and batteries. They will be toxic landscapes.

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Solar panels being made today have a practical life cycle of 50 years and improving steadily, there are solar panels in service today that were made 40 years ago.

Lithium batteries are much too valuable to wind up in landfills, battery grade lithium is valued today at $76,000 spot per ton, and the metal cases are readily recycled.

Wind turbine blades disposed at the end of their life cycle have earned plenty of money to pay for their disposal. A modern wind turbine, well sited pays for its design, manufacture, installation, maintenance, and disposal in the first two years of use.

Why not bother to actually inform yourself rather than posting another bunch of uninformed right wing talking points.

[Catsumi]

So, you don’t want to pick up horse puckies and use them to garden, but you’re willing to see thousands of hectares of forest drowned in efforts to make more hydro for your wonder-car.

Anyway, reconsider the joys of free-falling horse-shhite, as it does have many benefits that an EV couldn’t ever drop in your favour.

No. I have serious reservations of hydro generation. Nuclear baby. But that seems to be politically incorrect nowadays. All of this is way above my pay grade anyway. I vote for representatives that wish to be of help and service to the vast majority of people, not corporations and the rich. If they were to propose nuclear then have at it.

Your continuing talk about horses is just silly. Never. Who would realistically want to do that anyway unless you have some weird religious fanaticism that prohibits you from using machines.

Totally agree with nuclear power, but the problem is to convince the ‘afraid’ to get on board with it.

In times of real hard-azzzed scenarios, you might not be so flippant when it comes to horses as mode of transport. You just don’t know what trials and tribulations are in your future.

No religious fanaticism here. I love machinery, new gizmos and the electronic age we are in now, otherwise I’d not be here in Castanet posting. With the political climate as now, plus govt interference every step of the way, it might be wise to have other options available should they be crucial to one’s survival. My horse and buggy example is definitely over the top, I admit freely.

Think of the day when electrons are halted for who knows how long by asteroid or jihad or multiple attacks from enemies.

Caught with pants down, one must have alternatives.

[Urban Cowboy]

In your future years, say 30-40 years hence when things aren't living up to their much-touted hoopla of today, you too might be saying “that was pie-in-the-sky, without a doubt”. Then the phrase ‘the more things change, the more they stay the same’.

So, you don’t want to pick up horse puckies and use them to garden, but you’re willing to see thousands of hectares of forest drowned in efforts to make more hydro for your wonder-car.

You mention stick-shift. Couldn’t agree more. Wish cars manufactured today were more along those lines rather than automatic. Better control and you are driving the car, not the car driving you. Big difference. For one, I believe in KISS philosophy when it comes to repairs and maintenance. It shouldn’t require a priest, a magician and a mechanic to ‘fix’ the ride.

Anyway, reconsider the joys of free-falling horse-shhite, as it does have many benefits that an EV couldn’t ever drop in your favour.

Good night …sleep well

Better control? Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, particularly if in icy winter conditions.

The key is to be smooth as possible to maintain traction, and my observation is that automatics are far smoother, than the stick driving skills I see these days.

[Catsumi]

In your future years, say 30-40 years hence when things aren't living up to their much-touted hoopla of today, you too might be saying “that was pie-in-the-sky, without a doubt”. Then the phrase ‘the more things change, the more they stay the same’.

So, you don’t want to pick up horse puckies and use them to garden, but you’re willing to see thousands of hectares of forest drowned in efforts to make more hydro for your wonder-car.

You mention stick-shift. Couldn’t agree more. Wish cars manufactured today were more along those lines rather than automatic. Better control and you are driving the car, not the car driving you. Big difference. For one, I believe in KISS philosophy when it comes to repairs and maintenance. It shouldn’t require a priest, a magician and a mechanic to ‘fix’ the ride.

Anyway, reconsider the joys of free-falling horse-shhite, as it does have many benefits that an EV couldn’t ever drop in your favour.

Good night …sleep well

Better control? Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, particularly if in icy winter conditions.

The key is to be smooth as possible to maintain traction, and my observation is that automatics are far smoother, than the stick driving skills I see these days.

Aaah, but you overlooked the fact (that I hadn’t posted out of sheer modesty) that I have been stick-shifted driver from 1965 onwards. I agree that those young ones out there couldn’t match my smooth skills on ice, water gushing over roads, snowdrifts 2 feet high, ascending and descending hills with aplomb with a scotch in cupholder as a reward.

So, exaggerated a little about choice of beverage, but the rest is true.

Shall we meet on a dark and lonely highway, full moon? Brrrr-ooooo-mmm!

[ferri]

[forum]

So someone picks a Nissan Leaf battery out of the garbage just like a homeless person picks out a half eaten hot dog.

Both of them pat themselves on the back claiming a "free lunch".

[nepal]

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New extremely fast chargers can charge from 30% to 80%, several hundred kilometres, in just 10-minutes, even during extreme temperatures.
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Video showing charging EV, extremely fast:
https://insideevs.com/news/610833/watch ... 0-minutes/
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https://www.engadget.com/chinese-startu ... 49959.html
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[Jlabute]

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New extremely fast chargers can charge from 30% to 80%, several hundred kilometres, in just 10-minutes, even during extreme temperatures.
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Video showing charging EV, extremely fast:
https://insideevs.com/news/610833/watch ... 0-minutes/
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https://www.engadget.com/chinese-startu ... 49959.html
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Those are not commercially available yet, and even still might not be commercially viable. Even if they were, there are no chargers to take advantage of it and cold weather driving still cuts your range in half. Charging with existing chargers would still take a long time. In order to replace existing chargers with yet even more powerful chargers would require a redo on everything for it to mean anything.


NOW - it appears the DOE has had an EV mileage cheating scandal uncovered.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-d ... g-scandal/

https://mishtalk.com/economics/biden-ca ... r-expense/

One plague after another affects EVs. Perhaps one day they will be for everyone... but that is not for at least another 20 years minimum.

[LovemyBolt]

Those are not commercially available yet, and even still might not be commercially viable. Even if they were, there are no chargers to take advantage of it and cold weather driving still cuts your range in half. Charging with existing chargers would still take a long time. In order to replace existing chargers with yet even more powerful chargers would require a redo on everything for it to mean anything.


NOW - it appears the DOE has had an EV mileage cheating scandal uncovered.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-d ... g-scandal/

https://mishtalk.com/economics/biden-ca ... r-expense/

One plague after another affects EVs. Perhaps one day they will be for everyone... but that is not for at least another 20 years minimum.

Cold weather driving does not cut range in half for all vehicles. Please stop spreading misinformation.
My EV is great. Now. You don't think it works for you and that's fine for you. Your opinion on that is all yours.
Your source links sound biased and inflammatory. Do you have any sensible sources with those stories?

[Jlabute]

Those are not commercially available yet, and even still might not be commercially viable. Even if they were, there are no chargers to take advantage of it and cold weather driving still cuts your range in half. Charging with existing chargers would still take a long time. In order to replace existing chargers with yet even more powerful chargers would require a redo on everything for it to mean anything.


NOW - it appears the DOE has had an EV mileage cheating scandal uncovered.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-d ... g-scandal/

https://mishtalk.com/economics/biden-ca ... r-expense/

One plague after another affects EVs. Perhaps one day they will be for everyone... but that is not for at least another 20 years minimum.

Cold weather driving does not cut range in half for all vehicles. Please stop spreading misinformation.
My EV is great. Now. You don't think it works for you and that's fine for you. Your opinion on that is all yours.
Your source links sound biased and inflammatory. Do you have any sensible sources with those stories?

Perhaps not in Kelowna, our temperatures were only -20C, although in the prairies and further east in -40C weather and colder, there were a lot of video testimonies that say otherwise. So it is very possible to lose half your range and require an extraordinary amount of time to charge with heaters and thermal management systems constantly running. Even the EV chargers were failing. It was a disaster for EVs back east. I can't imagine having to rely on an EV in extreme weather. The cold is a common yearly event. If you're a Taxi, Uber driver, or delivery person, you would not get business done. The worst scenario is pulling a camper with an EV F-150 in cold weather. Might as well pack the whole thing up and sell it as scrap. Isn't that why people buy trucks? To get work and leisure done? LOL.

EVs are a money wasting scandal. Hertz is dumping EVs because they are too expensive to own and operate. Now SixT rentals is dumping Tesla. As a business, I bet they would know.

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/12/08/si ... reciation/


Not to mention, half of all EVs are already over-rated for range according to CR, if they weren't already bad enough.

nearly half fell short of their EPA-estimated ranges when driven at highway speeds.