EV batteries last longer than expected.

[LovemyBolt]

Perhaps not in Kelowna, our temperatures were only -20C, although in the prairies and further east in -40C weather and colder, there were a lot of video testimonies that say otherwise. So it is very possible to lose half your range and require an extraordinary amount of time to charge with heaters and thermal management systems constantly running. Even the EV chargers were failing. It was a disaster for EVs back east. I can't imagine having to rely on an EV in extreme weather. The cold is a common yearly event. If you're a Taxi, Uber driver, or delivery person, you would not get business done. The worst scenario is pulling a camper with an EV F-150 in cold weather. Might as well pack the whole thing up and sell it as scrap. Isn't that why people buy trucks? To get work and leisure done? LOL.

EVs are a money wasting scandal. Hertz is dumping EVs because they are too expensive to own and operate. Now SixT rentals is dumping Tesla. As a business, I bet they would know.

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/12/08/si ... reciation/


Not to mention, half of all EVs are already over-rated for range according to CR, if they weren't already bad enough.

nearly half fell short of their EPA-estimated ranges when driven at highway speeds.

The phrasing you used about 50% implied all. That is what I took exception about. I'm not saying none either. But some get maybe a 10% hit.
Those stories are just more anti-EV stories to find the worst case scenarios. Sensationalism. Yup, fast charging is slower in winter. Yup, travel would take longer. The whole row of fast chargers at the mall are offline. Thought I would get a little something while I was wandering around the mall. Things happen. Gas stations run out of fuel. Gas stations lose power too. I agree that the cold makes it more difficult for all day usage. But people also need to plan and be more aware of their car. A cellphone also takes longer to charge if it's sitting outside in the cold plugged in.
Those car rental companies are having problems with Tesla parts. That's Tesla. I had a collision repair done on my Bolt and it was finished in about 3 weeks from claim to drive away.
I hit the stated epa range in my Bolt, and I could have gone a little further. CR had to pull back some negative scores about the Bolt. CR has a history of having problems with their ratings. I wouldn't put so much weight on them.

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The phrasing you used about 50% implied all. That is what I took exception about. I'm not saying none either. But some get maybe a 10% hit.
Those stories are just more anti-EV stories to find the worst case scenarios. Sensationalism. Yup, fast charging is slower in winter. Yup, travel would take longer. The whole row of fast chargers at the mall are offline. Thought I would get a little something while I was wandering around the mall. Things happen. Gas stations run out of fuel. Gas stations lose power too. I agree that the cold makes it more difficult for all day usage. But people also need to plan and be more aware of their car. A cellphone also takes longer to charge if it's sitting outside in the cold plugged in.
Those car rental companies are having problems with Tesla parts. That's Tesla. I had a collision repair done on my Bolt and it was finished in about 3 weeks from claim to drive away.
I hit the stated epa range in my Bolt, and I could have gone a little further. CR had to pull back some negative scores about the Bolt. CR has a history of having problems with their ratings. I wouldn't put so much weight on them.

Good luck selling your Bolt now if your collision was added to CARFAX!

I know, I know, you've already said your planning on keeping your Bolt until it dies, or blows up or catches on fire. I can't remember which one.

Not to mention, half of all EVs are already over-rated for range according to CR, if they weren't already bad enough.

nearly half fell short of their EPA-estimated ranges when driven at highway speeds.

Too be fair, some ICEV manufacturers got caught falsifying EPA city/highway MPG estimates. Now ICEV ads on TV don't mention anything about MPG and instead focus on young people having fun driving around on deserted city streets and going camping. Wow I want that car!

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Recent cold spells and news in other parts of the continent compelled me to do a search... found some generalized but helpful info on EV batteries in colder regions...

"Consistent exposure to extremely cold temperatures can potentially damage the EV battery prematurely. The increased strain, combined with the potential for lithium plating (a phenomenon where lithium forms metallic deposits on the anode of the battery during charging), can shorten the overall lifespan of the battery"

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Recent cold spells and news in other parts of the continent compelled me to do a search... found some generalized but helpful info on EV batteries in colder regions...

"Consistent exposure to extremely cold temperatures can potentially damage the EV battery prematurely. The increased strain, combined with the potential for lithium plating (a phenomenon where lithium forms metallic deposits on the anode of the battery during charging), can shorten the overall lifespan of the battery"

If you can afford $73,000CAD for a toy I don't think your too worried about the batteries longevity. These are probably the same people who bought the Hummer H1 when it first came out.

[LovemyBolt]

If you can afford $73,000CAD for a toy I don't think your too worried about the batteries longevity. These are probably the same people who bought the Hummer H1 when it first came out.

I was out the door for under $40K CAD. It ain't no toy either. No toy can go 145 kmh.
For those that CAN afford the fancy luxo EV's yeah sure they probably don't care.

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If you can afford $73,000CAD for a toy I don't think your too worried about the batteries longevity. These are probably the same people who bought the Hummer H1 when it first came out.

I was out the door for under $40K CAD. It ain't no toy either. No toy can go 145 kmh.
For those that CAN afford the fancy luxo EV's yeah sure they probably don't care.

I hope you talking about Teslas & not Bolts? (are your Bolt tires even rated for 145 kph? jk )

Also, ust saying... some toys can go up to 180kph (112 mph)

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I was out the door for under $40K CAD. It ain't no toy either. No toy can go 145 kmh.
For those that CAN afford the fancy luxo EV's yeah sure they probably don't care.

We're not always bashing your Bolt, sometimes we're bashing other EVs so don't get too defensive.

Friend of mine bought a used Chevrolet Spark for like $10K. He loved it until he got rear-ended. Funny thing, ICBC gave him more than he paid for it! He's got five other ICEVs including a Plymouth Prowler so I'd say the Spark was definitely a toy!

[Jlabute]

If you can afford $73,000CAD for a toy I don't think your too worried about the batteries longevity. These are probably the same people who bought the Hummer H1 when it first came out.

I was out the door for under $40K CAD. It ain't no toy either. No toy can go 145 kmh.
For those that CAN afford the fancy luxo EV's yeah sure they probably don't care.

What an odd maximum speed. That is just barely above highway speeds. Must be hard to pass on the Coquihalla. Although most gas vehicles these days are limited, a Honda civic for example can go 210km/h. Type R even faster. The definition of toy is relative I suppose.

It is inappropriate to 'mandate' EVs for everyone. Whether it is the grid, the battery technology, or what-ever, EVs are not ready for 'everyone' despite our fringe government wishing it was. I personally can't buy an EV knowing public money is being wasted in this manner on rebates.

When EV batteries are draining extra quick, and EV chargers are out of service, and it takes many hours to charge in freezing weather, it should be mandated that EV owners stay home so roads do not get blocked.

^^^ It isn't that we don't like Bolts, to each their own. We don't like mandates mostly.

[LovemyBolt]

I hope you talking about Teslas & not Bolts? (are your Bolt tires even rated for 145 kph? jk )

Also, ust saying... some toys can go up to 180kph (112 mph)

Yes, there's a governor speed limit that tops out at 145. I can use shorter passing lanes to pass because the car jumps out like a rocket. The OEM tires are rated for 210 kph.
I almost always talk about my experiences with my Bolt. When I need to, I try to gather other facts.
I guess we need to define toy. I don't call my car a toy.

[LovemyBolt]

We're not always bashing your Bolt, sometimes we're bashing other EVs so don't get too defensive.

Friend of mine bought a used Chevrolet Spark for like $10K. He loved it until he got rear-ended. Funny thing, ICBC gave him more than he paid for it! He's got five other ICEVs including a Plymouth Prowler so I'd say the Spark was definitely a toy!

I'm aware that some of the comments here are also about the other more expensive EV's. I was responding to the non-luxo price I paid and that I don't define it as a toy.

[LovemyBolt]

What an odd maximum speed. That is just barely above highway speeds. Must be hard to pass on the Coquihalla. Although most gas vehicles these days are limited, a Honda civic for example can go 210km/h. Type R even faster. The definition of toy is relative I suppose.

It is inappropriate to 'mandate' EVs for everyone. Whether it is the grid, the battery technology, or what-ever, EVs are not ready for 'everyone' despite our fringe government wishing it was. I personally can't buy an EV knowing public money is being wasted in this manner on rebates.

When EV batteries are draining extra quick, and EV chargers are out of service, and it takes many hours to charge in freezing weather, it should be mandated that EV owners stay home so roads do not get blocked.

^^^ It isn't that we don't like Bolts, to each their own. We don't like mandates mostly.

Yeah it is odd. And on very rare occasions can be a problem. But I rarely need to go that fast. I generally stick to about 10% over the limit, so you can do the math for what I do on the Coq. I don't do 145. Passing is a piece of cake. The car jumps out when you hit the pedal.

Again, no one is mandating your vehicle purchase. You can keep your ICEV and you can buy used ICEV's. It's just no more NEW ICEV's for that mandate. And we'll see how it all unfolds anyway. I obviously think the complete obvious. EV's are totally ready for everyone. They work. I hardly think the grid is going to be caught with its pants down. Oh whoops there are all these EV's that we don't have the capacity to charge. Not gonna happen. There will be power. Battery technology sure. It would be nice if there was a longer range, smaller, swappable, fast and easy to "refill" power storage technology. But we have what works just fine now.
Why do you stand on such a principle? If you might find yourself in the market for an EV then why wouldn't you take the rebate? It's there for the taking. Free money. We pay enough in all the various taxes, why not get some of that back? I don't understand that principle.

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Why do you stand on such a principle? If you might find yourself in the market for an EV then why wouldn't you take the rebate? It's there for the taking. Free money. We pay enough in all the various taxes, why not get some of that back? I don't understand that principle.

I think the point was, the rebate money comes from somewhere. My guess is from motor fuel tax, so kind of a "Rob Peter to pay Paul" scheme!

[LovemyBolt]

I think the point was, the rebate money comes from somewhere. My guess is from motor fuel tax, so kind of a "Rob Peter to pay Paul" scheme!

But it doesn't matter where it comes from. We all know it comes from the royal us. We all pay all the taxes. Why stand on principle and refuse to take some money back out of the pot that you've also been paying in to? It's a non-sensical principle to stand on.
There are lots of rebates available for all kinds of things in the energy sphere. Many of them are not things I'll do. Some of them I have used in the past when I was in the market and made use of the rebate while I was in the market.