Siemens wind turbine sets record.

[I Think]

Siemens Gamesa set a fresh record in wind generation this week. Specifically, a Siemens SG 14-222 DD offshore wind turbine prototype set the record. The turbine has produced 359 megawatt-hours within a 24-hour time period — “the most power one turbine has ever produced over this duration and enough energy to drive 1.8 million km in a mid-sized electric car!”

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/10/13/si ... ut-record/


It is estimated that this turbine will provide enough power for about 18,000 homes.

[spooker]

With great motivation comes great results ...

[Jlabute]

So long as the wind blows, which it doesn't always do like it does in some people's imagination.

Of course you realize the article states MWh. 359MWh in a 24h period means this thing generates just under 15MW so long as the weather conditions are perfect for 24 hours. The Chinese claim to have a coming 16MW turbine. GE has a 14MW turbine. Wow. Not sure what the GREAT significance is. It is incremental at best, and likely A LOT more expensive. Again, another waste of resources and it creates an eye-sore and also disturbs sea life. It is a detriment to all life on earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... d_turbines

[seewood]

A great bit if engineered kit. I suspect over time the wind turbines will increase in efficiency as long as they are placed in areas that provide sustained wind.
We are so very fortunate in BC we do not have a need for hundreds of these things blighting the landscape.

[spooker]

Sadly this is an example of how jaded some have become over anything ... a thread meant to talk about something that could mean cheaper energy gets ice water dumped all over it

I like to think Gene Roddenberry had it right versus thinking that William Gibson was the more prescient ... live long and prosper! (or not, if that if that's where your mind goes)

[GordonH]

Sadly this is an example of how jaded some have become over anything ... a thread meant to talk about something that could mean cheaper energy gets ice water dumped all over it

I like to think Gene Roddenberry had it right versus thinking that William Gibson was the more prescient ... live long and prosper! (or not, if that if that's where your mind goes)

Along with all the other cables humans have dropped into the worlds oceans, my only concern is it doesn’t admit any type of frequency that causes negative issues with marine life.
Of course we won’t know for many years on this one.

[Jlabute]

Sadly this is an example of how jaded some have become over anything ... a thread meant to talk about something that could mean cheaper energy gets ice water dumped all over it

I like to think Gene Roddenberry had it right versus thinking that William Gibson was the more prescient ... live long and prosper! (or not, if that if that's where your mind goes)

Gene Roddenberry had much nicer visions of an energy-rich future, and only non-prosperous, dystopian style movies have wind turbines.

This has nothing to do with being 'jaded', it is all pure realism. It won't mean cheaper energy. If you think cheaper energy is the outcome, show practical evidence of it. Renewables have always brought more expensive energy to the people. Germany, California, Australia. They are all examples of green gone amok policies with NO benefit to the environment.

Germany has a high reliance on 'wind' to their detriment. Now energy prices approach $0.60 kWh CDN, 5x to 6x what you pay. Gas is expensive too. Their economic and energy systems are buckling. The Green party is now PRAYING for warmer winter weather! LOL. How ironic. So Germany has a lot of wind turbines, they pay 6x what we pay for electricity. Do you call this cheaper? Seriously? Show me how it is cheaper. Unfortunately for Germany, the cost of electricity is still trending up fast. Perhaps, they should have kept their nuclear.

https://notrickszone.com/2022/10/12/iro ... gy-crisis/

[Nedroj]

Sadly this is an example of how jaded some have become over anything ... a thread meant to talk about something that could mean cheaper energy gets ice water dumped all over it

I like to think Gene Roddenberry had it right versus thinking that William Gibson was the more prescient ... live long and prosper! (or not, if that if that's where your mind goes)

It doesn't necessarily mean cheaper energy as the maintenance/upkeep costs on Wind Turbines are rather pricey and they can fail horribly if not properly maintained. That is another hurdle the Wind Turbine Engineers will need to figure out and perfect before its widely adopted.

Its nice to hear Wind generators are getting better and better however they still have a LONG ways to go before they can even start to compete with Hydro-Electric dams.

Wind Turbines:
GE WIND Energy - 14 MW
Siemens Gamesa - 14 MW

HydroElectric Turbines:
ChurchHill Falls - 5,428 MW
Robert-Bourassa - 5,616 MW

In fact, the smallest HydroElectric Dam in Canada still produces 104 MW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_h ... _in_Canada

[Jlabute]

Sadly this is an example of how jaded some have become over anything ... a thread meant to talk about something that could mean cheaper energy gets ice water dumped all over it

I like to think Gene Roddenberry had it right versus thinking that William Gibson was the more prescient ... live long and prosper! (or not, if that if that's where your mind goes)

A tiny incremental improvement in the output of a single turbine doesn't amount to much. Rather than building a wind farm with 200 units, maybe you only need 199? LOL.

They still are the cause of an environmental disaster. What is the tiny improvement worth if it needs 10% more copper, or 10% more rare earth metals? You're not gaining anything in the long run, especially since these machines are high maintenance, and low life span.

[spooker]

Sadly this is an example of how jaded some have become over anything ... a thread meant to talk about something that could mean cheaper energy gets ice water dumped all over it

I like to think Gene Roddenberry had it right versus thinking that William Gibson was the more prescient ... live long and prosper! (or not, if that if that's where your mind goes)

Gene Roddenberry had much nicer visions of an energy-rich future, and only non-prosperous, dystopian style movies have wind turbines.

This has nothing to do with being 'jaded', it is all pure realism. It won't mean cheaper energy. If you think cheaper energy is the outcome, show practical evidence of it. Renewables have always brought more expensive energy to the people. Germany, California, Australia. They are all examples of green gone amok policies with NO benefit to the environment.

Germany has a high reliance on 'wind' to their detriment. Now energy prices approach $0.60 kWh CDN, 5x to 6x what you pay. Gas is expensive too. Their economic and energy systems are buckling. The Green party is now PRAYING for warmer winter weather! LOL. How ironic. So Germany has a lot of wind turbines, they pay 6x what we pay for electricity. Do you call this cheaper? Seriously? Show me how it is cheaper. Unfortunately for Germany, the cost of electricity is still trending up fast. Perhaps, they should have kept their nuclear.

I had a feeling that someone would use the term "realist" to justify their outlook ... but you have to remember that some of our best advances came from dreamers, people who didn't let someone else define what is or is not possible ... maybe my outlook comes from all the scifi I read from early years (Tom Swift and Danny Dunn) then getting into a career that always keeps my creativity spurred by solving problems with novel processes ...

Very happy to consider myself an optimist that believes the world can get better than it is currently ... though at times it is disheartening when we don't take responsibility for situations of our own making ...

And yes, my personality is the type that can make a big celebration out of a small gain ... it's the only way to keep the sanity in my chosen profession, otherwise I would have been demotivated back in my teens, punchcards sucked ...

[Jlabute]

Gene Roddenberry had much nicer visions of an energy-rich future, and only non-prosperous, dystopian style movies have wind turbines.

This has nothing to do with being 'jaded', it is all pure realism. It won't mean cheaper energy. If you think cheaper energy is the outcome, show practical evidence of it. Renewables have always brought more expensive energy to the people. Germany, California, Australia. They are all examples of green gone amok policies with NO benefit to the environment.

Germany has a high reliance on 'wind' to their detriment. Now energy prices approach $0.60 kWh CDN, 5x to 6x what you pay. Gas is expensive too. Their economic and energy systems are buckling. The Green party is now PRAYING for warmer winter weather! LOL. How ironic. So Germany has a lot of wind turbines, they pay 6x what we pay for electricity. Do you call this cheaper? Seriously? Show me how it is cheaper. Unfortunately for Germany, the cost of electricity is still trending up fast. Perhaps, they should have kept their nuclear.

I had a feeling that someone would use the term "realist" to justify their outlook ... but you have to remember that some of our best advances came from dreamers, people who didn't let someone else define what is or is not possible ... maybe my outlook comes from all the scifi I read from early years (Tom Swift and Danny Dunn) then getting into a career that always keeps my creativity spurred by solving problems with novel processes ...

Very happy to consider myself an optimist that believes the world can get better than it is currently ... though at times it is disheartening when we don't take responsibility for situations of our own making ...

And yes, my personality is the type that can make a big celebration out of a small gain ... it's the only way to keep the sanity in my chosen profession, otherwise I would have been demotivated back in my teens, punchcards sucked ...

Well, realist is how I see myself. I am also optimistic, and I do like to celebrate significant technological advancements, as opposed to technological increments. An example would be celebrating the 1976 invention of the Lithium battery! Yes, it has been here that long. It's a great start! Years since 2012 have gone by and EVs gradually improved with 300km, 350km, 400km range, but batteries are also betting larger, redesigned cathodes, but still have significant limitations. Typical incremental improvements over 10 years. It is nothing like a whole new chemistry that would improve range by 50% and charge in 2 minutes, and be half the cost. That stuff catches my pleasure and attention because they are true game changers. Same goes for everything, including wind turbines. Small gains are not worth 'personally' celebrating, unless they are in the context of a relationship, perhaps.

In my mind, it doesn't matter how wind turbines improve, they are already approaching their maximum efficiency. They will always occupy too much real-estate, consume too many resources, and be an eyesore and detriment to the environment. They have a limited window of opportunity and have been chosen in a knee-jerk reaction to an overblown problem. So, such technologies are interesting to me, but they do not excite me or get my approval. I can appreciate technical advancements, but it doesn't mean I think they should flourish.

I am an 'inventor' myself with a broad technical experience, and I closely follow technical advancements in discreet electronic components, batteries, computers, math & physics, and technology in general. Maybe it takes a bit more to make my eyebrows wiggle, but, we all have our own means of coping with life, and we appreciate a great many things differently. I assure you though, I am not an evil naysayer of everything.

Certainly the world continually improves. There also needs to be improvements for how technologies are evaluated. When trillion dollar solutions are sought, one can't afford to be choosing VHS, when Beta is better. The risk of wasting trillions of dollars looms.

I still have a stack of punch cards. I've been thinking of framing some and using them as appreciation awards ;-) See, see! I am an inventor. lol.

[YzzzR1]

Too funny, a 24 hour data set is supposed to mean anything? A rational person would like to know the average output at critical peak times as well as the average output over a few weeks or more. Meh

[Catsumi]

Too funny, a 24 hour data set is supposed to mean anything? A rational person would like to know the average output at critical peak times as well as the average output over a few weeks or more. Meh

As for me, I’d like to know how many birds were sent through the chopper for that 24 hour glee-show.

[GordonH]

Sadly this is an example of how jaded some have become over anything ... a thread meant to talk about something that could mean cheaper energy gets ice water dumped all over it

I like to think Gene Roddenberry had it right versus thinking that William Gibson was the more prescient ... live long and prosper! (or not, if that if that's where your mind goes)

Along with all the other cables humans have dropped into the worlds oceans, my only concern is it doesn’t admit any type of frequency that causes negative issues with marine life.
Of course we won’t know this for many years on this one, by that time the damage will have already been done.

[Jlabute]

Too funny, a 24 hour data set is supposed to mean anything? A rational person would like to know the average output at critical peak times as well as the average output over a few weeks or more. Meh

As for me, I’d like to know how many birds were sent through the chopper for that 24 hour glee-show.

I know. The harm wind turbines has imposed on society and the biosphere in general is appalling. Whether by direct impact, or subsonic vibrations, oil spills, destruction of habitat, and more. This prototype turbine has a blade span of 222 meters, which is almost a quarter kilometre. Big freakin’ blights and existence killers, for little return. They create more economic inflation than actually help anything.