Civilization may have ended the day the Younger Dryas started.

[oldtrucker]

Certainly, I agree. We have to be actively looking, which archeologists are doing, are they not? Is there rigidity? Will we believe there is, according to one person who doesn’t do the leg work and is not an archeologist? He could perhaps sponsor some digs around Gunung Padang and try and find something more than 2000 years old. Saying that, the scientific process should be rigid.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/digging-fo ... 2qphb.html

I am all for proper discovery. Far be it that politics ever get involved, nor am I ready to believe that many professional archeologists, vulcanologists, etc, are colluding world-wide to hide a truth.

I'd say "the scientific process should be rigorous" before "rigid", but maybe not once I'd thought it through.

Thanks for the link! Interesting stuff.

Hancock was talking about a different site when he said they weren't actively looking. And while I haven't heard him accusing professionals of colluding world-wide to hide a truth, I have heard him say the academic community is resistant to his theories. Even that I think he is likely overstating. Part of his "thing" seems to be enjoying his own notoriety. Unfortunately, it sells well in this day and age.

It's fascinating how a farmer discovers a hill is not merely a hill, etc. The only sure thing seems to be: The more we learn, the more we realize we have yet to learn.

In the article that jlabute posted they ask how we went from the tech to build megaliths 20,000 years ago but went back to bone tools... According to Hancock's theory it's because civilization gets hard-core wiped every 13,000 years. Remember, non technological. We are the first technological with plastics and computer chips etc.
So far no one has come up with a viable explanation as to why the complexity and precision of some megalithic sites appears to be backwards...the deeper and older, the most precise and outside of our capabilities to reproduce in 2022.
Math is math. There are megaliths that no one has any idea how they were moved using just mechanical advantage. Google those 1600 ton blocks at Babek(I think that's it)Lebanon and find me a machine in 2022 that can move them .I'll try to find the link it but there is another possible sunken city found off the coast of Philippines(???) with what appears to be blocks twice the size of the ones in Lebanon.
I think this topic would be in the conspiracy bin just a few years back but gobekli Tepe is real, the global connection of shared building techniques are real.The cites off the coast of India are real. The megaliths uncovered by orbital gpr, the megaliths uncovered by lidar in multiple locations globally are real.
The complex found off the coast of Cuba 600m deep probably is just a natural formation. If it isn't, then the last time that land was above sea level would have been over 80,000 years ago, and the implications of that would be mind blowing. And why not? We have had massive horsepower sitting on our shoulders for over 200,000 years. Ya... the 'hunter gatherers' of the Pliestocene would be capable of calculating hawking radiation.
Sarcasm on....
One fine day in late March of 197,674bp... " Guys, I had a idea last nite that we should quit being hunter gatherers and that we should start building megaliths, and we should do complicated math, goemetry and complicated astronomy... waddya all think?"
Sarcasm off. We are missing over 180,000 years of our history. Some of it obviously has been staring at us all along but because it doesn't fit the narrative that every religion and govt based off that religion, it's dismissed by (govt funded) traditional academia.

[rustled]

Yup. Way more questions than answers!

[Jlabute]

A lot more foot-work to do.

The thing I wonder about is the presidential team of 'common workers' that are doing the foot-work. Indonesia's president could be looking for prestige and such a claim would bring it. It is possible the research team was not properly assigned.

The petitioners say this:

''This activity is carried out without scientific norms of conservation knowledge,'' the petitioners say. They believe the excavation threatens the preservation of the existing site, and hint strongly that archaeologists, as opposed to geologists, should be involved. One of them, volcanologist Sutikno Bronto, says Gunung Padang is simply the neck of a nearby volcano, not an ancient pyramid.

''Danny Hilman is not a vulcanologist. I am,'' he says. As for the carbon-dated cement between the stones, on which Hilman relies for his claims about the age of the site, Sutikno believes it is simply the byproduct of a natural weathering process, ''not man-made''.

Saying that, nothing in regards to culture has been discovered in the area is of the expected age. We will have to wait until excavations continue.

Another concern:

Desril Riva Shanti, the head of Bandung Archaeological center has expressed that the excavations at Mount Padang are not executed in a proper way. Some of the first few people who excavated the land were not archaeologists at all, rather Indonesian soldiers. The use of soldiers over archaeologists was in some ways an economic move by the government, however, the government has since realized this and halted excavations.

[oldtrucker]

I'd say "the scientific process should be rigorous" before "rigid", but maybe not once I'd thought it through.

Thanks for the link! Interesting stuff.

Hancock was talking about a different site when he said they weren't actively looking. And while I haven't heard him accusing professionals of colluding world-wide to hide a truth, I have heard him say the academic community is resistant to his theories. Even that I think he is likely overstating. Part of his "thing" seems to be enjoying his own notoriety. Unfortunately, it sells well in this day and age.

It's fascinating how a farmer discovers a hill is not merely a hill, etc. The only sure thing seems to be: The more we learn, the more we realize we have yet to learn.

In the article that jlabute posted they ask how we went from the tech to build megaliths 20,000 years ago but went back to bone tools... According to Hancock's theory it's because civilization gets hard-core wiped every 13,000 years. Remember, non technological. We are the first technological with plastics and computer chips etc.
So far no one has come up with a viable explanation as to why the complexity and precision of some megalithic sites appears to be backwards...the deeper and older, the most precise and outside of our capabilities to reproduce in 2022.

Math is math. There are megaliths that no one has any idea how they were moved using just mechanical advantage. Google those 1600 ton blocks at Babek(I think that's it)Lebanon and find me a machine in 2022 that can move them .I'll try to find the link it but there is another possible sunken city found off the coast of Philippines(???) with what appears to be blocks twice the size of the ones in Lebanon.

I think this topic would be in the conspiracy bin just a few years back but gobekli Tepe is real, the global connection of shared building techniques are real.The cites off the coast of India are real. The megaliths uncovered by orbital gpr, the megaliths uncovered by lidar in multiple locations globally are real.

The complex found off the coast of Cuba 600m deep probably is just a natural formation. If it isn't, then the last time that land was above sea level would have been over 80,000 years ago, and the implications of that would be mind blowing. And why not? We have had massive horsepower sitting on our shoulders for over 200,000 years. Yes, the 'hunter gatherers' of the Pliestocene would be capable of calculating Hawking Radiation for determining how long it takes a black hole to decay.
Sarcasm on....
One fine day in late March of 197,674bp... " Guys, I had a idea last nite that we should quit being hunter gatherers and that we should start building megaliths, and we should do complicated math, goemetry and complicated astronomy... waddya all think?"
Sarcasm off. We are missing over 180,000 years of our history. Some of it obviously has been staring at us all along but because it doesn't fit the narrative that every religion and govt based off that religion, it's dismissed by (govt funded) traditional academia.

I have add to the ' we are the first technological global civilization ' bit. I am going to be ultra careful to not go off track on anything that might imply ' fantasy' but
I think it does have to be at the very least mentioned.
There are hieroglyphs in several locations that appear to depict what could only be described as odd shaped 'flying' boats ,Tesla coils, odd headgear, man- purses, and other equipment carried by the characters in those hieroglyphs. The depictions appear in slightly
different forms depending on the culture and continent.

Pictures...that's all they are. In the far future people will find multiple depictions of Darth Vader on every part of the planet. Would archeologists in that remote future assume Darth Vader really existed?
Are some pseudo archeologists in 2022 very wrongly assuming those hieroglyphs are depicting flying boats and tesla coils when Occams razor applies- simplest
solution is always the correct answer - the hieroglyphs depict what are really just super fancy booze brewing stills, and a 'sacred' method/place to consume very powerful psychedelic substances, -namely DMT?