Manitoba family abandons EV on highway

[LovemyBolt]

Maybe hydrogen will become feasible sometime

Sure. Sounds great. Currently, a lot more expensive to fill than with electricity. And need a whole lot more filling stations. But there weren't a lot of places to recharge EV's back in the 2010's either other than 110/240 and very few publicly accessible.

[BC Landlord]

Has it ever occurred to manufacturers and marketers that trucks are supposed to be work, heavy-duty, not some ideology-parading vehicles? EV trucks come nowhere near up to their intended purpose. Ask any farmer or an RV owner, if in doubt.

[BC Landlord]

Maybe hydrogen will become feasible sometime

Hydrogen has been touted as a "viable alternative" to fossil fuels for quite a long time. The fundamental problem is, there is no free Hydrogen on this planet. I has to be produced, and its production has a negative energy balance, meaning it takes more energy to produce it, than what it gives. There are also other issues, such as this gas being very difficult to contain.

[GordonH]

Maybe hydrogen will become feasible sometime

Hydrogen has been touted as a "viable alternative" to fossil fuels for quite a long time. The fundamental problem is, there is no free Hydrogen on this planet. I has to be produced, and its production has a negative energy balance, meaning it takes more energy to produce it, than what it gives. There are also other issues, such as this gas being very difficult to contain.

Many Japanese automakers have or about manufacture fuel-cell vehicles.
https://www.britishcolumbia.ca/news-sto ... llcentric/
Apparently trains could be coming soon.
https://www.atco.com/en-ca/about-us/new ... ation.html

Suncor has dropped their Solar & Wind division for going into Fuel-cell.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/climate-and-envi ... -1.5848581

[BC Landlord]

Hydrogen has been touted as a "viable alternative" to fossil fuels for quite a long time. The fundamental problem is, there is no free Hydrogen on this planet. I has to be produced, and its production has a negative energy balance, meaning it takes more energy to produce it, than what it gives. There are also other issues, such as this gas being very difficult to contain.

Many Japanese automakers have or about manufacture fuel-cell vehicles.
https://www.britishcolumbia.ca/news-sto ... llcentric/
Apparently trains could be coming soon.
https://www.atco.com/en-ca/about-us/new ... ation.html

Suncor has dropped their Solar & Wind division for going into Fuel-cell.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/climate-and-envi ... -1.5848581

Gordon, I haven't seen a single hydrogen-powered personal vehicle on the market, have you? Big thing about Hydrogen adoption is that the technology is not there yet, and probably never will be due to its cost and impracticability.

[GordonH]

Many Japanese automakers have or about manufacture fuel-cell vehicles.
https://www.britishcolumbia.ca/news-sto ... llcentric/
Apparently trains could be coming soon.
https://www.atco.com/en-ca/about-us/new ... ation.html

Suncor has dropped their Solar & Wind division for going into Fuel-cell.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/climate-and-envi ... -1.5848581

Gordon, I haven't seen a single hydrogen-powered personal vehicle on the market, have you? Big thing about Hydrogen adoption is that the technology is not there yet, and probably never will be due to its cost and impracticability.

https://www.hyundaicanada.com/en/vehicles/2021-nexo
https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehicles/mirai/overview

Kia is in development for release in 2028


There are hydrogen stations around the lower mainland and one was built in Kelowna.
I suspect to see many of Suncor stations/Petro-Canada will eventually have them.

Almost forgot Big rigs https://www.nikolamotor.com/

[BC Landlord]

Kia is in development for release in 2028

Right, it's "just around the corner" ..

There are hydrogen stations around the lower mainland and one was built in Kelowna.
I suspect to see many of Suncor stations/Petro-Canada will eventually have them.

Not sure what you mean by "hydrogen stations", but there is no way of escaping physics and economy. And make no mistake, I'm all for cheaper energy sources. It's just not there.

[GordonH]

Kia is in development for release in 2028

Right, it's "just around the corner" ..

There are hydrogen stations around the lower mainland and one was built in Kelowna.
I suspect to see many of Suncor stations/Petro-Canada will eventually have them.

Not sure what you mean by "hydrogen stations", but there is no way of escaping physics and economy. And make no mistake, I'm all for cheaper energy sources. It's just not there.

Based on price of hydrogen in Vancouver to fill an empty Toyota Mirai would cost $60.
https://www.Castanet.com/roadshow/news/toyo ... ld-record/
Just over 1,000 kms not to bad at all.

What I mean about Hydrogen Station is were one would fill up their hydrogen vehicle.

The one that was built in Kelowna is on corner of Harvey & Spall (same lot as Esso/Tim’s).

[BC Landlord]

Based on price of hydrogen in Vancouver to fill an empty Toyota Mirai would cost $60.
https://www.Castanet.com/roadshow/news/toyo ... ld-record/
Just over 1,000 kms not to bad at all.

What is the catch? Why can't we see these vehicles in the streets?

[Catsumi]

Based on price of hydrogen in Vancouver to fill an empty Toyota Mirai would cost $60.
https://www.Castanet.com/roadshow/news/toyo ... ld-record/
Just over 1,000 kms not to bad at all.

What is the catch? Why can't we see these vehicles in the streets?

Any word yet when the Ballard fuel cell will be available? When I first heard of it I still had a waistline to be proud of.

[GordonH]

Based on price of hydrogen in Vancouver to fill an empty Toyota Mirai would cost $60.
https://www.Castanet.com/roadshow/news/toyo ... ld-record/
Just over 1,000 kms not to bad at all.

What is the catch? Why can't we see these vehicles in the streets?

Since there is only filling station outside the lower mainland here in Kelowna (I have no idea if they are up and running).
Probably if you were to hangout at one of filling station in Vancouver area, you may get to see fuel-cell vehicle.

I do remember numerous years ago Motoring TV on TSN they were testing Hyundai fell-cell vehicle.

[seewood]

Does one purchase an EV because the overwhelming reason is because it's an EV, regardless it might not do what you need it to do? Don't want to pay for gas?
Loooovve the subsidies?

Do any say I love SUV's so my electric HAS to be an SUV ? Pretty pricey.

Hydrogen vehicles? I looove station wagons. Do I wait until a manufacture comes out with a wagon style and price point I like or just get a hydrogen car regardless to save the planet?

I think we are living in the infancy of personal vehicles with alternative fuel sources and in 40-50 years we will see quantum changes in the way we get around.
In the meantime, ICE vehicles will be around for some time to come. Government mandates will not work until some basic questions are answered... who pays for the charging stations and how does the government make up the lost road tax revenue stream from Fuel

[dirtybiker]

[snip] Government mandates will not work until some basic questions are answered... who pays for the charging stations and how does the government make up the lost road tax revenue stream from Fuel

It's a comin'
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/ ... x-program/

Saskatchewan the first Province in Canada to table something similar.

[The Green Barbarian]

Based on price of hydrogen in Vancouver to fill an empty Toyota Mirai would cost $60.
https://www.Castanet.com/roadshow/news/toyo ... ld-record/
Just over 1,000 kms not to bad at all.

What is the catch? Why can't we see these vehicles in the streets?

to get more hydrogen cars, the stupid government just needs to up the subsidies to the rich virtue-signaling losers out there that want to drive around going "look at me, I'm helping" and make hydrogen cars a status symbol like Teslas are, plus give said rich idiots free parking as an "incentive". So dumb that the richest people who can afford electric cars get free parking while everyone else gets screwed.

[Bsuds]

So dumb that the richest people who can afford electric cars get free parking while everyone else gets screwed.

Interesting, where does this happen? I have never not found a parking spot anywhere I go.