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the truth wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 9:49 am
rustled wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 9:46 am
Unfortunately, many of us were in situations where our own risk/benefit analysis showed it made sense for us, in our situation, to get the first two injections. That's for another thread, though.

Now that scientists have identified a very specific risk - DNA in the Pfizer vaccines - we need to understand what that specific risk entails, who's most at risk, and what the next steps should be to mitigate those risks.
to be honest ,i do not think they will every give out the real honest truth about that,
They may not, but speculating and discussing motivation is less important to me at this point. To me, the most important thing is for scientists to be given the tools to properly assess our risks, now that we have been injected with Pfizer vaccines containing DNA.

When enough people understand that DNA was in the Pfizer vaccines and that scientists working in the field have identified DNA in the Pfizer vaccine as a potentially significant risk for those of us who were injected with it, regulators will be more likely to give scientists the tools to assess the risk and determine next steps.
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rustled wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 9:57 am
the truth wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 9:49 am
to be honest ,i do not think they will every give out the real honest truth about that,
They may not, but speculating and discussing motivation is less important to me at this point. To me, the most important thing is for scientists to be given the tools to properly assess our risks, now that we have been injected with Pfizer vaccines containing DNA.

When enough people understand that DNA was in the Pfizer vaccines and that scientists working in the field have identified DNA in the Pfizer vaccine as a potentially significant risk for those of us who were injected with it, regulators will be more likely to give scientists the tools to assess the risk and determine next steps.
agree 100% with you, billions have been injected after all
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the truth wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 9:58 am
rustled wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 9:57 am
They may not, but speculating and discussing motivation is less important to me at this point. To me, the most important thing is for scientists to be given the tools to properly assess our risks, now that we have been injected with Pfizer vaccines containing DNA.

When enough people understand that DNA was in the Pfizer vaccines and that scientists working in the field have identified DNA in the Pfizer vaccine as a potentially significant risk for those of us who were injected with it, regulators will be more likely to give scientists the tools to assess the risk and determine next steps.
agree 100% with you, billions have been injected after all
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Dr. Buckhaults has brought his findings to the attention of the FDA and to the SC senate hearing. He has not been funded to do his research and has not requested any funding to further the research but instead has suggested that it would be wise for a regulatory department to pursue the issue further.

Listening to and understanding the concerns of dna found in covid vaccines, brought to attention by Dr. Buckhaults, seems secondary in importance to attacking his (Dr. Buckhaults) integrity by some. Why is that?
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77TA wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:11 am Dr. Buckhaults has brought his findings to the attention of the FDA and to the SC senate hearing. He has not been funded to do his research and has not requested any funding to further the research but instead has suggested that it would be wise for a regulatory department to pursue the issue further.

Listening to and understanding the concerns of dna found in covid vaccines, brought to attention by Dr. Buckhaults, seems secondary in importance to attacking his (Dr. Buckhaults) integrity by some. Why is that?
I think we know why, those of us living in the real world anyway
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77TA wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:11 am Dr. Buckhaults has brought his findings to the attention of the FDA and to the SC senate hearing. He has not been funded to do his research and has not requested any funding to further the research but instead has suggested that it would be wise for a regulatory department to pursue the issue further.

Listening to and understanding the concerns of dna found in covid vaccines, brought to attention by Dr. Buckhaults, seems secondary in importance to attacking his (Dr. Buckhaults) integrity by some. Why is that?
Yes, that's a problem, and discussion of motivation is happening in other threads. However, the bigger problem is that unless people are aware scientists have identified the specific risk of DNA in the Pfizer vaccines, we may not see a push for regulators to give scientists the tools they need to examine that risk to us and determine next steps. It's in our best interest not to allow this thread to devolve into another argument over politics, motivation, ideology, agenda etc.

The most important thing now is for scientists to be given the tools to properly assess our risks, now that we have been injected with Pfizer vaccines containing DNA.
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the truth wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:19 am I think we know why, those of us living in the real world anyway
Filed next to the misrepresented rat study. The testimony of vaccines making you magnetic during a hearing. Misrepresented pregnancy results.

Vaccine nano particles interaction with 5g.

Why would anybody question the validity of any of these "real world" stories? But if you don't accept all of them you're a liberal communist WEF shill.paid by big pharma and want everyone to be sick forever.
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77TA wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:11 am Dr. Buckhaults has brought his findings to the attention of the FDA and to the SC senate hearing. He has not been funded to do his research and has not requested any funding to further the research but instead has suggested that it would be wise for a regulatory department to pursue the issue further.

Listening to and understanding the concerns of dna found in covid vaccines, brought to attention by Dr. Buckhaults, seems secondary in importance to attacking his (Dr. Buckhaults) integrity by some. Why is that?
Who has attacked Dr. Buckhaults, or his integrity?Do you have quotes to that effect?
He made an interesting observation, has a sort of interesting theory that this is somehow harming people. He needs studies to support that,he said so himself. and he isn't prepared to do the research. He may or may not be aware of others who are now researching this to either support or disprove his theory. I dont' see how that's an attack.
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rustled wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:28 am The most important thing now is for scientists to be given the tools to properly assess our risks, now that we have been injected with Pfizer vaccines containing DNA.
Not verifying the claim? Just accept it without question?
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rustled wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:28 am
77TA wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:11 am Dr. Buckhaults has brought his findings to the attention of the FDA and to the SC senate hearing. He has not been funded to do his research and has not requested any funding to further the research but instead has suggested that it would be wise for a regulatory department to pursue the issue further.

Listening to and understanding the concerns of dna found in covid vaccines, brought to attention by Dr. Buckhaults, seems secondary in importance to attacking his (Dr. Buckhaults) integrity by some. Why is that?
Yes, that's a problem, and discussion of motivation is happening in other threads. However, the bigger problem is that unless people are aware scientists have identified the specific risk of DNA in the Pfizer vaccines, we may not see a push for regulators to give scientists the tools they need to examine that risk to us and determine next steps. It's in our best interest not to allow this thread to devolve into another argument over politics, motivation, ideology, agenda etc.

The most important thing now is for scientists to be given the tools to properly assess our risks, now that we have been injected with Pfizer vaccines containing DNA.
How do you know that scientists are not doing this? All we seem to know from what he says is that this particular researcher is not interested in pursuing the research to prove his theory. He did not even claim there was harm caused by this, and it is a "possibility" that he is proposing.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:41 am
rustled wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:28 am
Yes, that's a problem, and discussion of motivation is happening in other threads. However, the bigger problem is that unless people are aware scientists have identified the specific risk of DNA in the Pfizer vaccines, we may not see a push for regulators to give scientists the tools they need to examine that risk to us and determine next steps. It's in our best interest not to allow this thread to devolve into another argument over politics, motivation, ideology, agenda etc.

The most important thing now is for scientists to be given the tools to properly assess our risks, now that we have been injected with Pfizer vaccines containing DNA.
How do you know that scientists are not doing this?
He has asked regulators to give scientists the tools they need to do this research.

If scientists have already been given the tools he asked for, you will be able to show us this is the case.
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There have been studies on plasmid DNA in covid 19 vaccines.
DNA vaccines hold several advantages that can make them a suitable vaccine against newly emerging pathogens such as SARS-CoV-2 virus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8629371/
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:37 am
77TA wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:11 am Dr. Buckhaults has brought his findings to the attention of the FDA and to the SC senate hearing. He has not been funded to do his research and has not requested any funding to further the research but instead has suggested that it would be wise for a regulatory department to pursue the issue further.

Listening to and understanding the concerns of dna found in covid vaccines, brought to attention by Dr. Buckhaults, seems secondary in importance to attacking his (Dr. Buckhaults) integrity by some. Why is that?
Who has attacked Dr. Buckhaults, or his integrity?Do you have quotes to that effect?
He made an interesting observation, has a sort of interesting theory that this is somehow harming people. He needs studies to support that,he said so himself. and he isn't prepared to do the research. He may or may not be aware of others who are now researching this to either support or disprove his theory. I dont' see how that's an attack.
It's interesting that I'm asked who has attacked Dr. Buckhaults and then it's explained that the questioner can't see how their comments are an attack.

I, as Dr. Buckhaults mentioned of himself, hope further research shows that dna in covid vaccines does not cause cancer or other medical issues but we won't know unless a regulatory department takes action on Dr. Buckhaults initial findings.
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rustled wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:43 am He has asked regulators to give scientists the tools they need to do this research.

If scientists have already been given the tools he asked for, you will be able to show us this is the case.
Just as you should be able to show the claim has been verified and the specific harm it supposedly is causing?
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rustled wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:43 am
Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 20th, 2023, 10:41 am
How do you know that scientists are not doing this?
He has asked regulators to give scientists the tools they need to do this research.

If scientists have already been given the tools he asked for, you will be able to show us this is the case.
You want governments to regulate research? Shouldn't the researchers be free to choose whatever research they deem is warranted? There are several different companies developing vaccines (of various kinds), a fairly lucrative market, and lively competition. This is how we came up with a dozen or so vaccines, with a few selected as the better ones. If anyone wants to come up with one that beats Pfizer's "fatal flaw" (if there even is one), would be well compensated if they can do it. Like Moderna perhaps? Or anyone else.
The FDA's job is to assess and authorize the best one. So one guy (and perhaps a few of his friends) have a better way, if so, the world will beat a path to their door. This is how a free market works. The field has been wide open for almost four years, if this guy isn't part of the solution, then someone else will be.

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