Attention shift from EV's to hydrogen fuel cell technology.

[LovemyBolt]

All 3 types of vehicles have 1 thing in common, they are not environmentally friendly, either in production or running.

Walking is as about environmentally friendly as it comes.

An ICEV continues to spew for its lifetime. The other 2 do not. Sure yes generating the electricity and making hydrogen has issues. So does gas. But electricity is being generating for all of the electrical usage unrelated to a vehicle. Oil byproducts get used for a whole bunch of other modern manufactured products.
I still like spending less to get around.

Walking erodes the ground. Heck over time walking erodes rock.

[hozzle]

True... and that is why California asks EV users to NOT charge when their is a heat wave so that "ubiquitous" energy can be used for other purposes.

Ubiquitous means it's everywhere easily accessible, not that it's limitless.
You use the correct term - "ask". It's all voluntary to the consumer. And nowhere in the official wording do they specifically point out charging of EV's. Simply to conserve. That includes using your washer and dryer. Even to pre-cool the house before the asked-for time of day. Ideas to conserve. And the last time there was a government emergency call out was '22, not this past summer. Of course an effect of not conserving would be that there could be controlled power outages. Then you can't use any grid power at all for anything let alone charging an EV.
I'll let the loony toon climate change thread entertain the vicious cycle of WHY there are high energy needs on occasion.

I'm cognizant of ubiquitous... that is why I pointed out that although it is everywhere it should be used in moderation at times.
As for the calls to conserve... yes I am also cognizant that it to helps prevent blackouts... therefore it has been identified as an issue rather than a benefit in some situations... capisci?

[hozzle]

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I don't like spending all the money for gas. And to the topic at hand, the rather more cost for hydrogen compared to electricity.

As stated earlier the energy companies are investing in hydrogen plants... it would make sense there is a plan for distribution, otherwise why make plants at all.... in time I can see that the cost of hydrogen would be lower at some point... either way hydrogen is helpful, so the push-back is bewildering. Folks can do their thing... I am interested in the direction of hydrogen, no need to party poop a technology that has water as a byproduct of if its emissions, and due to the stresses on the grid I think hydrogen is the best route as an alternate or leader in transportation energy going forward

[GordonH]

All 3 types of vehicles have 1 thing in common, they are not environmentally friendly, either in production or running.

Walking is as about environmentally friendly as it comes.

An ICEV continues to spew for its lifetime. The other 2 do not. Sure yes generating the electricity and making hydrogen has issues. So does gas. But electricity is being generating for all of the electrical usage unrelated to a vehicle. Oil byproducts get used for a whole bunch of other modern manufactured products.
I still like spending less to get around.

Walking erodes the ground. Heck over time walking erodes rock.

So as oil process continues for those byproducts to be produced (no matter the vehicle there is a lot of plastic) there will be a growing stockpile of gasoline. Because in whole crude oil production at the very end is 2 items.
1) sludge
2) gasoline

Dumping gasoline back into the environment wouldn’t be at all friendly.
Manufacturing and disposal of EV batteries isn’t at all environmentally friendly.

[LovemyBolt]

As stated earlier the energy companies are investing in hydrogen plants... it would make sense there is a plan for distribution, otherwise why make plants at all.... in time I can see that the cost of hydrogen would be lower at some point... either way hydrogen is helpful, so the push-back is bewildering. Folks can do their thing... I am interested in the direction of hydrogen, no need to party poop a technology that has water as a byproduct of if its emissions, and due to the stresses on the grid I think hydrogen is the best route as an alternate or leader in transportation energy going forward

I'm not pushing back. I think it's great. It just costs too much for me to like it though. We'll see what the future holds for cost. My bet is the same or more as it is currently. Electricity is everywhere and easy and way cheaper. I like keeping my money in my pocket rather than an substantial outflow on a constant basis.

[LovemyBolt]

So as oil process continues for those byproducts to be produced (no matter the vehicle there is a lot of plastic) there will be a growing stockpile of gasoline. Because in whole crude oil production at the very end is 2 items.
1) sludge
2) gasoline

Dumping gasoline back into the environment wouldn’t be at all friendly.
Manufacturing and disposal of EV batteries isn’t at all environmentally friendly.

Since I'm the only person here that I know of that actually has an EV...I have an EV to not spend so much money all the time on fuel. The environmental side was not my interest. Ongoing cost of personal transport was. I can argue the environmental merits of an EV if I like, but it wasn't my main interest.
Who said anything about dumping gasoline?

[GordonH]

It’s going to curious when federal and provincial revenue starts to dry up on taxes for diesel and gasoline.
How much will they go after electricity &/or hydrogen to compensate for revenue losses.

Governments doesn’t like having their revenue dropping.

[GordonH]

So as oil process continues for those byproducts to be produced (no matter the vehicle there is a lot of plastic) there will be a growing stockpile of gasoline. Because in whole crude oil production at the very end is 2 items.
1) sludge
2) gasoline

Dumping gasoline back into the environment wouldn’t be at all friendly.
Manufacturing and disposal of EV batteries isn’t at all environmentally friendly.

Since I'm the only person here that I know of that actually has an EV...I have an EV to not spend so much money all the time on fuel. The environmental side was not my interest. Ongoing cost of personal transport was. I can argue the environmental merits of an EV if I like, but it wasn't my main interest.
Who said anything about dumping gasoline?

Gasoline has no other purpose except being burnt in automobile, if ICE is to be eliminated.

[LovemyBolt]

Gasoline has no other purpose except being burnt in automobile, if ICE is to be eliminated.

ICEV's will not be eliminated. And processing a barrel of oil doesn't always need to end up with gasoline.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil ... rocess.php

And more to the topic, hydrogen can be used in some processing.

[hozzle]

CPKC orders more hydrogen fuel cell engines… trains are leading the way?

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... l-engines/

[TylerM4]

Gasoline has no other purpose except being burnt in automobile, if ICE is to be eliminated.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I'm going to go with sarcastic as the alternative is too wild.

[GordonH]

Gasoline has no other purpose except being burnt in automobile, if ICE is to be eliminated.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I'm going to go with sarcastic as the alternative is too wild.

Is there another purpose gasoline can be used for other running ice automobiles.

[Glacier]

I can "fill" my car at home in Fortis territory for well under a quarter of that and certainly get way more range than your car for the same total cost. I can take a minute to plug in at home and then walk away and enjoy my evening and not worry about gas spilling out or dripping and dirty nozzles and snow and rain and heat and cold.
But we have discussed this many times before and yes your current vehicle needs are not suitable to having an EV. And that's fine.

I don't like spending all the money for gas. And to the topic at hand, the rather more cost for hydrogen compared to electricity.

I've put 400,000 km on my diesel car, and is still in excellent shape for another 400,000.. will you be able to put 400,000 km on your electric car? If not, then it is less green when you account for life-cycle emissions.

[LovemyBolt]

I've put 400,000 km on my diesel car, and is still in excellent shape for another 400,000.. will you be able to put 400,000 km on your electric car? If not, then it is less green when you account for life-cycle emissions.

You're drawing a conclusion on an assumption coming out of pure speculation. There ARE EV's that have gone further than that. It's obviously impossible for me to say how many klicks I'll get on my car over however long a period of time. I don't know what I'm having for lunch next week let alone how far and for how long my car will go. Pure speculation. So I won't.

[The Green Barbarian]