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Bsuds wrote:I knew what the numbers were but I was questioning the way you were suggesting to add it up. It just wouldn't work that way.


That's why I only added up the votes for mayor, since it's not multiple choice.
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GordonH wrote:
That's why I only added up the votes for mayor, since it's not multiple choice.


That would be a good way to do it but not 100%. Probably very close though.
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GordonH wrote:That's why I only added up the votes for mayor, since it's not multiple choice.

Bsuds wrote:That would be a good way to do it but not 100%. Probably very close though.


Only off by 318 votes, possibly some spoiled & some just didn't vote for the mayor.
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It appears that voter apathy wins the election once again. What a sorry state of affairs. For those who don't think that their vote counts you just need to look at the results of the Mayoral race in Peachland.
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[quote="Giardinera1"]In the interest of "Truth" ... Can we get some truth around the wild crime stats thrown around this election? In various conversations, I think I heard Dyas and other candidates claim Kelowna was #4, #5 and even #1 in terms of Canadian crime rates per city. This is simply not true. Kelowna is currently #34 based on Maclean's widely regarded crime index. This is a downward trend.

What is true is the gap between rich and poor has increased. Wages above 100K have increased, widening the gap between the very rich, and the very poor. So yes, visible poverty has increased, homelessness has increased, but if we're to draw a corollary line between crime statistics, and what we're seeing on the streets, than let's not cherry pick - let's talk about all crime in this index. The largest spike in crime is fraud. A pretty extreme # compared the other crimes listed here. And this is just a measure of those who have been caught. There's very wealthy people in this community. Do you really think they've earned every penny fairly? That they pay their legal share of taxes?

A few years ago, when I worked in the office of a prominent developer, I stumbled upon a case file. Turns out, he spent some time in prison for fraud. White collar, high level fraud in Alberta. There, he made some associates. These people continue to own multiple properties in this town. They continue to contract one another's services. They go off book as much as they can. They use workers from temp agencies, so they don't have to create permanent jobs. They maximize profits for themselves, pay as little as possible, don't pay overtime. They then advocate for less taxes - cuts to the taxes that provide social services for their workers who get injured on the job because of the corners they cut around safety. Workers who are then prescribed painkillers by family doctors, without being adequately warned about how addictive they are.

Stop bitching about a few stragglers sleeping on the streets downtown and target the real criminals. The people who want to turn this town into their own playground, who play by different rules, whose crimes have a far greater financial impact on our society and growing inequality, than some petty BnEs or property theft.

https://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-places/[quote="the truth"]4 more years of *bleep* , :swear: 4 more years of out of control crime in kelowna :swear:



you are my hero!! every word is true. the scammers always want something for nothing. thats why the spec tax is brilliant. its one thing they cant scam. so they just whine.
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MUSTAFALEEK wrote:
Omnitheo wrote:Happy with the results so far. Not at all surprised.



Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


If Kelowna was in the U.S., this electorate's twisted logic would be compared to Republicans that voted for Trump! No surprise here, Kelowna has supported unaccountable, deadbeat losers (Dehart and Givens are absolute poster children for that title) for at least the last 10 to 15 years. Before that the "developers" were not as prominent...…….and arrogant.
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lesliepaul wrote: If Kelowna was in the U.S., this electorate's twisted logic would be compared to Republicans that voted for Trump! No surprise here, Kelowna has supported unaccountable, deadbeat losers (Dehart and Givens are absolute poster children for that title) for at least the last 10 to 15 years. Before that the "developers" were not as prominent...…….and arrogant.


Naw, from the Capozzi's promoting sprawl, to Al Stober's reign of terror in the 90's - (land mark is an absolute cluster *bleep* IMO), developers have always had the upper hand. What has changed is now they have a marketing component - More flashy promo materials. So they seem more prominent but it aint nothing new. The economy of scale is greater - more people, taller buildings, more builds. But the basic principles of power and how they operate in this town are the same. We used to just call them land owners, farmers. Now they are developers. Same *bleep*.

What is different is the amount of land left to claim and develop. Land and space are finite resources. Average people start to feel the squeeze as there's less of it. Local business people fight against all taxation, all controls to ensure land and space is fairly distributed. It's a real shame they have the power to divide the people by fear mongering tactics, like screaming socialism / anti- economy etc. Reducing their power, regulating them is in our interest and average people should really work together to prevent the rich getting richer by monopolizing who gets to own and develop land. I'm all for more City acquisitions, and developing certain areas for public, collective use. Including co-op city owned rent controlled housing for students, seniors, and just whoever is within a certain income bracket. Places with day cares, leased spaces. City could be making profit to pay for these things. But try and push that through - you get tarred and feathered as a socialist. Meanwhile, the city hands over land or sells it for cheap to those who already have too much power. Look at who is guaranteed power here. People whose families seized land for cheap hundreds of years ago. People whose names are on the streets. Dehart being one of them. Privilege protects privilege.
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Giardinera1 wrote:
lesliepaul wrote: If Kelowna was in the U.S., this electorate's twisted logic would be compared to Republicans that voted for Trump! No surprise here, Kelowna has supported unaccountable, deadbeat losers (Dehart and Givens are absolute poster children for that title) for at least the last 10 to 15 years. Before that the "developers" were not as prominent...…….and arrogant.


Naw, from the Capozzi's promoting sprawl, to Al Stober's reign of terror in the 90's - (land mark is an absolute cluster *bleep* IMO), developers have always had the upper hand. What has changed is now they have a marketing component - More flashy promo materials. So they seem more prominent but it aint nothing new. The economy of scale is greater - more people, taller buildings, more builds. But the basic principles of power and how they operate in this town are the same. We used to just call them land owners, farmers. Now they are developers. Same *bleep*.

What is different is the amount of land left to claim and develop. Land and space are finite resources. Average people start to feel the squeeze as there's less of it. Local business people fight against all taxation, all controls to ensure land and space is fairly distributed. It's a real shame they have the power to divide the people by fear mongering tactics, like screaming socialism / anti- economy etc. Reducing their power, regulating them is in our interest and average people should really work together to prevent the rich getting richer by monopolizing who gets to own and develop land. I'm all for more City acquisitions, and developing certain areas for public, collective use. Including co-op city owned rent controlled housing for students, seniors, and just whoever is within a certain income bracket. Places with day cares, leased spaces. City could be making profit to pay for these things. But try and push that through - you get tarred and feathered as a socialist. Meanwhile, the city hands over land or sells it for cheap to those who already have too much power. Look at who is guaranteed power here. People whose families seized land for cheap hundreds of years ago. People whose names are on the streets. Dehart being one of them. Privilege protects privilege.


Reign of the 90's?

You need to brush up on what all is being developed currently. Much of the area surrounding Landmark is owned by that developer, and then there's the project at The Greens or whatever the old KSS land is called.
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Urban Cowboy wrote:
Giardinera1 wrote:
Reign of the 90's?

You need to brush up on what all is being developed currently. Much of the area surrounding Landmark is owned by that developer, and then there's the project at The Greens or whatever the old KSS land is called.


I am well aware of Stober's current activities. I should've been more clear - His behaviour around Central Green (backing out of the Towers promised) is just not a new phenomena, it's just emblematic of developer conduct we have seen from him and others, for decades.

As forewarned...

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/2 ... ds-density

My point was, we shouldn't be surprised, and suggest how Developers behave today is anything new. Stober was powerful in the 90's, 2000's, and now. It's a continuation.

Anyone who thinks Kelowna ever had a golden era where everyone had equal opportunity to thrive, and developers behaved themselves, has blinders on. That's how we ended up with such a terrible layout. We just had less people, the culture wasn't really that much better or fair.
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Urban Cowboy wrote:Reign of the 90's?

You need to brush up on what all is being developed currently. Much of the area surrounding Landmark is owned by that developer, and then there's the project at The Greens or whatever the old KSS land is called.


hes right. the mission group is generation II of stobers kingdom. same crap different pile. but the new face of the conquest of kelowna.
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burnedatstake wrote: hes right. the mission group is generation II of stobers kingdom. same crap different pile. but the new face of the conquest of kelowna.


Yeah, that's what I mean. Nothing new or shocking about it. If you look into the history archives, this area has always been sliced and diced up to maximize profits of a few select families / groups. It was never some Leave it to Beaver paradise where everyone got along, and had equal access to opportunity. If we want to change that, we should look to the future, not the past.
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My old man always told me Walt Cobb was in league with the devil. This year's results prove it.

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here is a glaring example of how out of touch dyas would have been and how dangerous he and his commerce was.
https://*bleep*.ca/newsitem/kamloops-bu ... _LDCwZkCxw

oh sorry. the info competition in the address is bleeped out. how sad

KAMLOOPS - The Kamloops Chamber of Commerce awarded its best this weekend and named Cascades Casino as business of the year.

But the fact that casino workers have been on strike for four months in a labour dispute showing no sign of resolution did not go unnoticed.

Barb Nederpel, president of the Kamloops and District Labour Council, says the optics aren’t great.
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