2019 an election year/Federal

[flamingfingers]

There are too many people on this overcrowded planet!! Infinite growth on finite resources show we will breed ourselves to extinction.

The Cancer Called Man.

https://www.conservationinstitute.org/5 ... solutions/

[Catsumi]

Agreed FF, but some think 10 billion is the magic number.

As if there was to be less rather than more breeding then. Maybe a shortage of bedroom space will slow birth rates.

[flamingfingers]

^^It would be appropriate to consider overpopulation rather more than less seriously.

Overpopulation has been a scholarly issue since 1980 if not before. The psychology of population control (why do people have kids they don't want and/or can't sustain) needs to be addressed, but politicians are scared skinny to address the situation.

We have been spending gazillions of dollars over the past approx 80 years to 'feed the starving children of Africa' - and how has that worked out so far? We feed the starving children in Africa so they can grow up long enough to breed more 'starving children in Africa'.

I believe there needs to be serious dialogue to address the needs and resources of our precious planet.

[floppi]

^^It would be appropriate to consider overpopulation rather more than less seriously.

Overpopulation has been a scholarly issue since 1980 if not before. The psychology of population control (why do people have kids they don't want and/or can't sustain) needs to be addressed, but politicians are scared skinny to address the situation.

We have been spending gazillions of dollars over the past approx 80 years to 'feed the starving children of Africa' - and how has that worked out so far? We feed the starving children in Africa so they can grow up long enough to breed more 'starving children in Africa'.

I believe there needs to be serious dialogue to address the needs and resources of our precious planet.

It's not about psychology, it's about education. Hopefully, you wont shoot the messager but there seems to be a direct correlation between increase in female education versus decrease in fertility rates especially in third world countries....ie more education = less kids and visa versa. Imo, if we want to seriously attempt to control overpopulation, I would put some money into education of females in third world countries.

https://www.hcs.harvard.edu/hghr/online ... ion-women/

[Catsumi]

Here's a nice tongue-in-cheek article to enjoy with your Monday morning coffee. I particularly enjoyed the 4th paragraph. Gong!


https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/colum ... mr-trudeau

[floppi]

Here's a nice tongue-in-cheek article to enjoy with your Monday morning coffee. I particularly enjoyed the 4th paragraph. Gong!


https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/colum ... mr-trudeau

Ummmm....it's called an extradition treaty. The US would have had to do the same if we had asked. If China is so great at spying, how come they didn't warn Meng?.....or better yet how come she was traveling through a country with an extradition with the US knowing they had issued an arrest warrant? Doesn't that seem odd....and somehow JT is too blame?

[d0nb]

Here's a nice tongue-in-cheek article to enjoy with your Monday morning coffee. I particularly enjoyed the 4th paragraph. Gong!


https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/colum ... mr-trudeau

From the article:

On Wednesday, a scathing op-ed by Lu was published in the Hill Times accusing Canada of “white supremacy.” Clearly, Lu has been paying close attention to the Liberals’ playbook — accuse your opponents of being racists!

Our little Potato is teaching the Chinese how to speak moron. How adorable.

[d0nb]

a monkey in a coma could out negotiate our air-head in chief. He's clueless!

If you mean Trump yeah he is clueless....everyone knows it.

Everyone Trump has out negotiated probably thought the same thing. They never seem to learn.

[d0nb]

On immigration:

The old Canada was built by immigrants who worked hard and expected little. That country no longer exists.

The current notion that increased immigration will assure that the costs of social services will continue to be met is predicated on the belief that over the course of their lives new Canadians will contribute more to the state than they will consume. On average though, is that going to be the case?

Is it possible that Japan is right about immigration and Canada is wrong? What if excessive immigration just ends up making Canada poorer because of the attendant increases in welfare, medicare and pension expenditures? How will Canadians react if their taxes are raised and benefits reduced in order to accommodate the demands of an imported population?

This study suggests that by the end of her life the average woman in New Zealand will have a negative fiscal impact of $150,000. Will men be able to continue to make up the difference?

http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/bitstr ... sequence=1


Until we have a more complete understanding of the long range impact of immigration, we might want to be a bit more circumspect in our enthusiasm.

[floppi]

Flamingfingers gets it.

Here is a nice warm comfy thought to fall asleep to tonight:

On Tues Jan 15 2019 @08:34 hrs, Russia initiates a 1000 warhead attack on all Nato countries. By 15:00 hrs the same day the war is over. Over the next year 99.9% of all humans die of the direct effects of the war, starvation, disease and radiation poisoning.
Exactly 1 year later on Jan 15, 2020, a 4 mile wide asteroid travelling at 17 miles per second strikes the south coast of Baffin Island killing 99.9% of the remaining humans. Leaving about 7000 people left and about 100-200 breeding pairs out of that.
I'm gonna guess that in about 72,000 years the place will be packed again.
Around 72,000 years ago Mt. Toba took us down to as low as 2000 individuals and as few as 50 breeding pairs (debatable).
Goodnight.

I'm thinking you want to be George......


https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/lo ... li=AAggFp5

[floppi]

On immigration:

The old Canada was built by immigrants who worked hard and expected little. That country no longer exists.

The current notion that increased immigration will assure that the costs of social services will continue to be met is predicated on the belief that over the course of their lives new Canadians will contribute more to the state than they will consume. On average though, is that going to be the case?

Is it possible that Japan is right about immigration and Canada is wrong? What if excessive immigration just ends up making Canada poorer because of the attendant increases in welfare, medicare and pension expenditures? How will Canadians react if their taxes are raised and benefits reduced in order to accommodate the demands of an imported population?

This study suggests that by the end of her life the average woman in New Zealand will have a negative fiscal impact of $150,000. Will men be able to continue to make up the difference?

http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/bitstr ... sequence=1


Until we have a more complete understanding of the long range impact of immigration, we might want to be a bit more circumspect in our enthusiasm.

Ummm....you might want to start here, it's already a thread title but most immigrants are younger an productive....esp. the economic group.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-re ... eport.html

[d0nb]

The view from the related government department is always delightfully enthusiastic. No doubt, according to the Finance Dept, everything is going well, and we are on course to deficit spend ourselves into a glorious age of prosperity.

A simple cost-benefit analysis would suffice to answer the question of how much we stand to gain or lose through immigration. Perhaps the AG has some info.

[Catsumi]

Yes, d0nb, it would be nice to have such info at hand, but the likelihood of that being shared by gov't with the Canadian public is unlikely.

Immigrants, even if of working age will probably start families (child benefits cheques and paid parental leave from work), plus there is the "family reunification" provision where elderly parents, grandparents from both sides of family (12) may immigrate and be eligible for OAS.

You are right. The gov't spends prolifically from a deficit into prosperity.

[Bsuds]

Immigrants, even if of working age will probably start families (child benefits cheques and paid parental leave from work), plus there is the "family reunification" provision where elderly parents, grandparents from both sides of family (12) may immigrate and be eligible for OAS.

If you look this up they must have been a resident of Canada for 10 years. So they cannot immigrate and immediately start collecting OAS.

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benef ... ility.html

[ferri]

I see a few posts that have strayed off topic. 2019 an election year If you want to discuss population/over population etc. please start a new thread. Thanks!