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oldtrucker wrote:
Gilchy wrote: nor do you know anything about me or my family's history.

No, that's why I said "I'm going to guess"...was I right?


Nope, wrong.

Gilchy wrote: The fact that someone's family happened to cross the Atlantic 100 years earlier doesn't give them gatekeeping on what it is to be Canadian.

oldtrucker wrote:It doesn't? At all?
Okay.


Nope. The longtime residents have their version of Canada, the new immigrants have a different version and experience. The collective experience of everyone builds Canadian culture, and is ever changing.
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Right on. Always good to come across another rancher/ dirt farmer that has run the generational ranch/farm.
So...you have spilled blood and toiled on your land alongside your family.
You know what its like to have your arm up a cows butt, covered in bleep,in 30 below in calving time.
You know what it's like to clear 40 ,60, 100 acres or more by hand.
You know what harvest and haying time is like, driving equipment for days without rest.
And you know what it's like to put up 20 cords of wood /yr, by hand...just like your grandfather did.
I just find your position very interesting as you are the first I have come across with similar experiences as I- as a long term generational rancher or dirt farmer, that, well,...has your position. Most generational family farmers/ranchers that I know- don't have that position. Interesting.
Some may view my politically incorrect opinions as harsh and may be offended by them. Some think political correctness will be our undoing.
AB,SK,MB...are you going to wait until you lose your way of life before you consider getting out of confederation?
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I’ve also worked construction, demolition, restaurant kitchens, oil and gas, you name it. People do what they have to to make a living, and I will never, ever knock a person for hard work, and have the ultimate respect for those who built this country, defended this country and serve this country.

But Canada wasn’t built on the ethos of belonging to those who’ve toiled the longest intergenerationally. That’s the sort of feudal system that most early immigrants were seeking to escape, looking for a fresh start. That’s what immigrants today, by and large, are looking for, a fresh start as well. I’ve crossed paths with too many new Canadians who have worked their fingers to the bone in those construction sites, dishpits, orchards, as well as boardrooms, engineering firms and universities to build themselves and their families a new and better life here to date say that this isn’t their Canada too.

I think that is the best way to sum up my view on Canadian Culture: we are a sparsely populated, resource rich country that is ripe with history and tradition that is made richer, rather than less, but all the new added to it.

The PPC’s stance, reflecting that those who were lucky enough to have the happenstance to be born here, rather than choose to come here, have a “stronger claim” to being Canadian runs contrary to how I see the strength in our great country.

Last thing- promise I don’t mean to sound like a politician!
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Gilchy wrote:I’ve also worked construction, demolition, restaurant kitchens, oil and gas, you name it.


Gilchy,... your tougher and a better man than me....I chickened out and moved to Kelowna.
Some may view my politically incorrect opinions as harsh and may be offended by them. Some think political correctness will be our undoing.
AB,SK,MB...are you going to wait until you lose your way of life before you consider getting out of confederation?
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oldtrucker wrote:
Gilchy wrote:I’ve also worked construction, demolition, restaurant kitchens, oil and gas, you name it.


Gilchy,... your tougher and a better man than me....I chickened out and moved to Kelowna.


Don’t go too far- I’m here now too! I appreciate the back and forth, enjoy a good dialogue.
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Oh Max...your party is never going to get out from the cellar and being refer to as "other" in the polls if you keep doing this.....

How low can Maxime Bernier go?

When politicians get down and dirty in an election campaign they usually target their opponents’ policies. If they really want to get into the mud they sink to personal attacks.

But one would think that verbally assaulting a teenager for her beliefs and her medical condition would be out of bounds.

Sadly, that’s not the case for Maxime Bernier, leader of the People’s Party of Canada.

She has become an influential figure in a movement that is a threat to our prosperity and civilization,” he wrote. “If she wants to play that role she should be denounced and attacked.”

As deplorable as Bernier’s comments were, at least he has shown his true colours. It turns out that he’s a bully who is afraid of a child.

And in the process, he has highlighted his party’s absurd, head-in-the-sands stance on climate change.

In the electoral platform of the People’s Party, Bernier claims: “There is no scientific consensus on the theory that CO2 produced by human activity is causing dangerous global warming today or will in the future, and that the world is facing environmental catastrophes unless these emissions are drastically reduced.”

If Bernier truly cared about Canadians he might listen to Thunberg rather than insulting her in a manner so childish that it makes us ask: Who is the grown-up in the room?


https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/election ... li=AArWeBz

It's rather easy to see how Mad Max almost became the party leader of the CPC.
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I think you're wrong there floppi .
I think PPC is perfectly capable of being second in 4 yrs. I believe when people get to privately cast their ballot more will choose PPC.
Bernier was wrong to put the focus on that girl instead of focussing on the ones that gave her that platform/audience but if he'd had got it right it would've gave him some publicity which the PPC desperately needs. The whole idea of a party that could draw on a large spectrum of voters is complicated for media attention where we live in a world of extremes.
Cons want Canadians to dismiss Bernier and the PPC because CONservatives DON"T want to have to deal with Bernier in a minority government situation. (this comment brings the most adamant CONservative supporters to comment)
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jimmy4321 wrote:I think you're wrong there floppi .
I think PPC is perfectly capable of being second in 4 yrs. I believe when people get to privately cast their ballot more will choose PPC.
Bernier was wrong to put the focus on that girl instead of focussing on the ones that gave her that platform/audience but if he'd had got it right it would've gave him some publicity which the PPC desperately needs. The whole idea of a party that could draw on a large spectrum of voters is complicated for media attention where we live in a world of extremes.
Cons want Canadians to dismiss Bernier and the PPC because CONservatives DON"T want to have to deal with Bernier in a minority government situation. (this comment brings the most adamant CONservative supporters to comment)

The bolded bit seems unlikely to me.

Seems to me if the Conservatives lose to the Liberals, the right-of-center parties will be doing some serious self-examination and looking at how to regroup. Historically, unlike the left-of-center parties, they have proven themselves quite capable of doing the work to address the issues within, separate the idealistic dogma from the realities, and unite for the common good. I'd be surprised if they stay separated.

If the Liberals lose to the Conservatives, why would the Conservatives not want to work with the PPC? Bernier has shown he doesn't want to work with the Conservatives, not the other way around.
...do some internal evaluation; Are you aiming to tell the truth or just "win"? Are you aiming to inform or to promote a narrative? Have you checked your facts or are you just accepting what you are told? Ad Nausica
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.....and Scheer wants to work with Mad Max? I think both of them don't like each other and can't see them sharing anything.
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floppi wrote:.....and Scheer wants to work with Mad Max? I think both of them don't like each other and can't see them sharing anything.


They both have one thing in Common and it's that they both want to be PM. For Bernier it means getting his party more in the spotlight and someone in the eyes of the public (which he needs) be seen as someone willing to get things done FOR Canada, and not simply some disrupter.
In the real world it's how it's done, sometimes you need to weigh the benefits of working with someone you despise to meet targets.
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PPC could very well finish ahead of the NDP nationally. Hats off to Bernier and the PPC. I think he has a lot of momentum. I see lots of shots taken at him in media. He must be scaring marxists and drawing crowds. He has my vote on lockdown. Only way i vote for Scheer is if it is really close. Even Scheer would be better than clown show Trudeau
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According to this the PPC is 3rd place in Ontario.
I should have bet with someone a few years ago when I said the NDP wouldn't break 10% cause I think it's about to happen. :D

http://canada.qc125.com/proj/2019/2019-09-01-ekos2.png

Of course this doesn't really translate to seats but it shows the PPC where they are taking off, and what works and don't.
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Do you think that might convince the NDP to tone it down a bit. I mean if Bernier can bring a 1 year old party to a stronger finish than the New Democrats. Well that says a lot does it not ?

Seeing what has happened in Atlantic Canada. I think 10 percent is shooting high for Jagmeet Bicycle Sinhg.

Bernier has a real chance to peel off a lot of those votes. After all he is not running a socially conservative campaign but more a nationalist libertarian campaign. Individual rights seem to be central to his platform. To me that makes him the best choice
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The real problem is even at under 10% , the NDP will win some seats in hippie BC, PPC won't cause theres no real hot spot for them in Canada.

The Atlantic provincially (NS) are Liberal, they *bleep* about them but the alternative the NDP still leaves the taste of *bleep* in their mouths from the Dexter years.(PC is almost non subject)
For the all the Atlantic the problem is a growing older population, medical and the usual related issues so good jobs get votes. The PM could show up in Parliament in a tutu and it don't matter cause it all boils down to keeping their young in the maritimes working, raising families etc.
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PPC will be strong in Northern BC.

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