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His libertarian positions suggest he would do nothing to curtail abortion.
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I think Bernier would work with the Cons on some things, as a needed partner at times it would force the Cons to compromise giving the PPC more legitimacy and power. I think Bernier's far too shrewd to let the past get in the way of his vision.

As far as abortion goes I think Bernier would put a lid on the subject like Harper.

A Vote for Bernier this time around would be like putting training wheels on the Con Cart
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1791 wrote: Bernier. Wants to eliminate supply management. ( I agree with him on that).

Eliminate transfer payments to Quebec. (Eliminate transfers from the Federal Government to almost a quarter of Canadians? On what grounds? Because their Government doesn't support a pipeline? Well using that logic they'd better eliminate transfer payments to BC as well).

Wants to clamp down on refugees and mass immigration.(Refugees who are fleeing persecution NEED all the help they can get. To do otherwise is inhumane. And as for immigration, well unless Canadians start having more kids, and are willing to stay in the workforce until they're 70, we NEED more immigrants. But if all he wants to do is crack down on illegal queue jumpers, well I can agree with him on that).

Wants to support the troops. (What exactly does he have in mind?)

Strengthen the border (How?)

Will use the powers of the PMO to get pipelines built (I like that idea, but he'd better be prepared to deal with a lot of civil disobedience, and maybe even some illegal sabotage).

Will let provinces set more policies. (Canadian Provinces already have more power than American States. If Ottawa continues to relinquish what little power it has left, we won't have a country anymore. Just a very balkanized set of individual entities in which it's impossible to set national standards).

He is by far the most free rights leader running (in what way exactly? Every time a government grants a right to one individual or group of individuals, it deprives a competing right from somebody else. There are always winners and losers).

Supports the gun lobby.(My spouse has several guns because he is an avid hunter. So I'm not anti gun by any means. But that doesn't mean I believe we shouldn't have certain restrictions on gun ownership. What exactly is it that the "gun lobby" wants?).

Is pro AR15. (Isn't that just another gun lobby?)

There is nothing here to not vote for (Yes there is; I just gave you all kinds of reasons)
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jimmy4321 wrote:A Vote for Bernier this time around would be like putting training wheels on the Con Cart
Nonsense; if the Cons wound up relying on the PPC to help them govern, the price of PPC support would be some extreme right wing policies. In other words, a Conservative minority propped up by the PPC would be much further to the right than a Conservative majority would.

Andrew Scheer's Conservatives are just slightly right of the political centre; whereas Bernier and his gang are much further right on the political spectrum. And although I sense some of our posters are on the far right with Bernier, I don't believe the majority of right leaning Canadians are.
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oldtrucker wrote:
dirtybiker wrote:^^^hahahahaha;

Did you also let them know they will be the ones required to get you a dressed up Kenworth or Peterbilt ?
A new trailer ? Fuel cards? Expense account ? And a few bales of fine herb ?
The load is sailboat fuel, so it won't take much fuel. I'm sure cash would work for the month it will take.
I was thinking it would be fitting to start the trip parked right under the billboard that was censored in the first place. In less than 20 minutes, cbc, ctv, etc would be there.
My grandfather volunteered for 2 world wars so I, and you didn't have to deal with censorship of opinion. This is the least I can do.
Now this would be a credible reason to start a "Go Fund Me Page." I don't know how to set one up, but I would contribute to it.
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oldtrucker wrote:Counter productive for controlling global population. People are leaving their homeland because it's probably way overpopulated. If they reproduced themselves off of their homeland they would do the same here in no time. We need out of the UN global migration pact asap.
People leave their homeland for far more reasons than overpopulation.

I left mine for purely economic reasons. Some just want the adventure that moving overseas brings. Others do it because they're fleeing persecution. And the list goes on. There are many reasons people decide to leave their homeland and live elsewhere. My sister did it because she married an Australian.

To suggest that we should shut down all immigration to prevent overpopulation of our country, when we are currently one of the least populated countries on earth, is just plain silly. We have plenty of room for more immigrants and refugees.

But I do agree that we need to have checks and balances in place to ensure that the people who come here will be productive citizens and an asset to our Country. We don't want freeloaders and/or criminals, so it is incumbent on the Government to try to weed such people out.
oldtrucker wrote:Make every inch of the border a 'point of entry', then border crossers cannot just show up from the U.S. where their lives are not in imminent danger. If they cross the north Atlantic on a raft in the middle of winter and show up on a beach in NFLD, that's a different story.
Don't have a problem with that idea, but didn't Scheer suggest something similar?
oldtrucker wrote:shut down special interest groups.
OK, but who decides which group is "special interest" and which group is not?
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oldtrucker wrote:I'm not sure if they will take up the offer, but since they can't have a billboard with ' the billboard company', I've offered to drive a semi pulling a 53 foot trailer, with whatever message on the side of the trailer across Canada for them. Then they are not at the mercy of any advertising company- and if someone doesn't like the way my trailer looks...well,...they can lick my tractor. We will see if they take me up on it. Maybe not enough time to put it together.
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2nd edit... Yes, I am sick enough to suggest such a thing, and sick enough to do it.
Are you serious? How much money would you need for this venture?
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[quote="Merry"
OK, but who decides which group is "special interest" and which group is not?[/quote]

I think the idea is that there should be none...
If no one is "special", then we can all just be equal.
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notme wrote:[quote="Merry"
OK, but who decides which group is "special interest" and which group is not?
I think the idea is that there should be none...
If no one is "special", then we can all just be equal.[/quote]

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Merry wrote:A vote for the PPC is a vote for Trudeau.
Actually I doubt it.

The PPC is going to get a fair number of people off the sidelines because nobody actually represents their viewpoint until the PPC came along.

Secondly, the PPC have some really good local candidates, and that matters. Sending good folks to Ottawa is important. We don't get to vote for Singh, Trudeau, Scheer, May, Bernier. We get to vote for good local representation. As I pointed out before, the PPC candidate showed up at the Lake Country Canada day celebration to listen to people, but the Conservative didn't bother. To me, a candidate that is out listening to the voters is important.

Thirdly, the PPC is unlikely to support a Liberal minority, but could be convinced to support a Conservative minority.

The "Conservatives" will try the tactic of "the wasted vote" nonsense, but a vote is never wasted. The PPC are likely to surprise a lot of pundits. Remember, the PPC got over 11% running against Singh in Burnaby by putting up a good local candidate. If the PPC can pull 11% of the vote in dyed in the wool dipper country (which surprised the pundits) then I seriously doubt that "wasted vote" talking point of the Conservatives is valid (it never is - no vote is ever wasted).
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For a person who loathes the Cons because they're too "right wing", hobbyguy sure has a lot of nice things to say about a Party that is even MORE right wing than the Conservatives. Which proves my point that a vote for the PPC is a vote for Trudeau (and hobbyguy knows it).

Trudeau would just love to see the right wing vote split, so that his Liberals can come right up the middle and win. Which is why so many of the Liberal supporters on this forum keep praising Bernier.
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notme wrote:
Merry wrote: OK, but who decides which group is "special interest" and which group is not?
I think the idea is that there should be none...
If no one is "special", then we can all just be equal.
It would be lovely if we didn't have any "special interest" groups (defined as being a group with a single agenda). But the reality is that, in a democracy such as ours they are always going to exist.

Whenever a group of citizens get together to protest (or support) a particular agenda, they could be defined as being a "special interest" group.

For example, if you and I were to try to form a group to persuade whichever Party forms Government, to adopt National Pharmacare, then we'd be a "special interest" group, even if our members were drawn from across the political spectrum.

Ditto for a group that was lobbying for electoral reform, or more regulations governing truck driving, or whatever else you can think of. The point being that the more people you can get onside, the better chance you have of getting the Government to listen to your point of view. But as soon as you do that, you become a "special interest" group.

Would you really like to see it against the Law for citizens to form such groups in Canada?
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oldtrucker wrote:
Merry wrote:Would you really like to see it against the Law for citizens to form such groups in Canada?
A special group complained and had the billboard taken down.
It’s not the group that complained you should be mad at, but rather the weak kneed bureaucrats who cave in to such groups.

Those in authority are often too quick to cater to every little group with a beef, giving far too much weight to the opinions of what are really only a very small percentage of the voting public. But that is not the fault of those doing the complaining. It is the fault of those who are too quick to cater to such folk.
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oldtrucker wrote:I personally can't identify with Scheer - he is a hardcore catholic
Scheer, like Trudeau, is a Roman Catholic, but whether he’s “hard core” or not I can’t say, because I don’t know (and, I suspect, neither do you).

You shouldn’t allow your experience with your mom to colour your view of all Roman Catholics, because I know several who identify as such but who are definitely not “hard core”.

I haven’t heard anything that Scheer has said since becoming Party Leader that has me the least little bit concerned that he’ll try to force his religious beliefs on the rest of us. In fact he has vehemently denied that he’ll do any such thing. Yet his opponents keep trying to paint him as someone who will. So I’m pretty sure they’re applying Catherine Mckenna’s logic that “if you say it often enough people will come to believe it”. But if the only way you can get people to vote for your guy is to tell lies about his opponent, that doesn’t say much about the electability of your own candidate, now does it?
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How could anyone vote for a Man who totally loses it on Twitter - the young woman has always been candid about having Aspergers. The fact that all he has to do it go after her speaks volumes about why he is called Mad.
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