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Gilchy wrote:Seriously, attacking a 16 year old for having "not only autistic, but obsessive-compulsive, eating disorder, depression and lethargy, and she lives in a constant state of fear" doesn't make for a brave leader, doesn't mean he's "saying it like it is", it makes him an *bleep*.

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We get the odd glimpse of his true colours. That's a no vote from me.

Just my opinion but I have been leary of him from the start.
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normaM wrote:How could anyone vote for a Man who totally loses it on Twitter - the young woman has always been candid about having Aspergers. The fact that all he has to do it go after her speaks volumes about why he is called Mad.

Our country is in desperate need of alternatives to consider, but it seems the farther right we go on the spectrum the more ignorant and uninformed the candidates. This latest incident clearly shows why Bernier and his Party will never be an option.
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Gilchy wrote: Overall, virtually the only things I agree with PPC on is the pipeline issue (from the perspective that lobby efforts against Canadian pipelines are primarily funded by US economic interests) and that supply management in agriculture is a highly inefficient system.

The rest of Bernier's platform is extremely short sited, populism at its core. When I say populism, I specifically mean appealing to people's basest instincts with things that "feel" right, regardless of sustainability in practice or long term ramifications.

This is the danger of populism. Under the guise of speaking for ordinary people (I would argue ordinary people are not all so ill-informed and ignorant), the right is pushing its agenda of divisiveness and hate while validating the very worst in already existing extremist groups. These are indeed precarious times.
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Who cares about Greta. We as a group need to save Canada from political correctness. Save Canada from even more international embarrassment. Stop all the infighting. Line up behind a good leader who will help all of us obtain better life liberty and happiness.

To me Bernier represents a lot of that. Really hard to take Scheer seriously as i feel he will only continue down the path to bigger government.

Every dollar sucked up by government is taken directly out of the economy. Private enterprise is the answer. Bernier is all about private enterprise.

Look at the BCNDP with their attacks on private property rights and taxing owners of properties just for maintaining a home somewhere else. Its called vacation property for a reason NDP.

Ending supply management will help Canada to resolve every trade dispute we have ever been in. As an added bonus it will bring down food costs.

Pipelines are currently badly needed. Hopefully a Bernier government would bring in the army. Put down the rebellion and get to work .
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A sane grown *bleep* Man doesn't take to Twitter to attack a 16 year old girl. He sounds like he is the one who is mentally unstable.
To vote for him because he is so " anti PC?" That is fairly warped logic.
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1791 wrote:Who cares about Greta.


It's not about Greta, rather this language is very revealing as to how he treats others and any dissenting opinions.

1791 wrote: We as a group need to save Canada from political correctness. Save Canada from even more international embarrassment. Stop all the infighting. Line up behind a good leader who will help all of us obtain better life liberty and happiness.


"Political Correctness" means don't be a *bleep*. How does this impact you in any way, shape or form. Any democracy will have disagreement, that's the whole point. Increased tribalism isn't going to magically line up together and increase happiness.

1791 wrote:To me Bernier represents a lot of that. Really hard to take Scheer seriously as i feel he will only continue down the path to bigger government.

Every dollar sucked up by government is taken directly out of the economy. Private enterprise is the answer. Bernier is all about private enterprise.

Look at the BCNDP with their attacks on private property rights and taxing owners of properties just for maintaining a home somewhere else. Its called vacation property for a reason NDP.

Ending supply management will help Canada to resolve every trade dispute we have ever been in. As an added bonus it will bring down food costs.

Pipelines are currently badly needed. Hopefully a Bernier government would bring in the army. Put down the rebellion and get to work .


"Big Government" is such an old boogeyman. Most government operations would be less efficient and effective as private enterprise, as there would be a profit objective inserted into end goals that are inherently money losers. The point of government services is to provide the services, not make a profit. You can argue over crown corps and the like, but health care, education, social services, these are things to be delivered to those who need it, not those who can afford it.
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Gilchy wrote: "Big Government" is such an old boogeyman. Most government operations would be less efficient and effective as private enterprise, as there would be a profit objective inserted into end goals that are inherently money losers. The point of government services is to provide the services, not make a profit. You can argue over crown corps and the like, but health care, education, social services, these are things to be delivered to those who need it, not those who can afford it.

The profit motive does not always lead to greater efficiencies, and as you have noted, it is not always the appropriate route to pursue – particularly when providing critical services. Take for example, the private for-profit prison system in the United States. In Canada, the idea is to rehabilitate offenders and reduce recidivism. Can you imagine any business model where the mission was to reduce business? There are certain services we do not want in the hands of private for-profit business.

Private industry has been able to flourish within our so-called mixed (private & public) socioeconomic system that provides business with infrastructure to operate in and a pool of publicly educated candidates to consider for employment. In addition, people who have studied even elementary economics will also understand that government money is not money “taken out of the economy”, but that as a result of the “multiplier effect”, monies paid to government employees and contractors is redistributed throughout communities resulting in economic stimulus.

The more crowded our cities and planet become, the more we are going to have to accept we (humankind) are more than a group of isolated individuals, that what we do impacts others and what others do impacts us, and that we share this planet, that for now it is the only one we have. I want a government that is able to see the bigger picture.
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Merry wrote:You shouldn’t allow your experience with your mom to colour your view of all Roman Catholics, because I know several who identify as such but who are definitely not “hard core”.


No problem with catholic at all. I have friends and family who are. Some don't really practice it or believe it-softcore, those that go to church every Sunday and practice it are more hardcore. I would rather have a catholic leader than a born again extremist or something like that.

normaM wrote:How could anyone vote for a Man who totally loses it on Twitter - the young woman has always been candid about having Aspergers. The fact that all he has to do it go after her speaks volumes about why he is called Mad. https://globalnews.ca/news/5846043/maxi ... -unstable/


Ya, I saw that...not cool at all. That's one thing that really bothers me about the PPC- climate change deniers.
As I said in another thread, we need more like Greta.
Edit....Sorry, I should have said ' the planet needs more like Greta.'
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A billboard is usually around 20-25 feet across. If the PPC uses a trailer that's 53 ft long, they have a huge mobile billboard.
What they should do is take my idea and run with it. It's a checkmate advertising solution for them. Get a member of the party with a class 1 to do a smaller scale version of my idea out east. It would be a fraction of the cost of starting out in the west and driving across Canada. I can't see the executive of the party approving a 20 to 40 thousand dollar advertising road trip with a non member(oldtrucker) doing it.

This isn't about promoting the PPC's policies. It's about free speech, freedom of opinion and common sense that it's election time and everyone needs to have their opinion advertised, seen and heard.

If the Liberals put up a billboard that said 'Say yes to mass immigration' and it was taken down by some group that was offended...I would probably offer the same to them if they had a small bank account like the PPC.

No free speech-no democracy. That simple.
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Yeah. Except these same corporations are picking and choosing. They keep all sorts of other questionable stuff online. Yet they always shut down conservatives. Seems like a huuuuge double standard. The internet was once celebrated as a place where knowledge would be exchanged. Look what it has become.

Bernier can use this to his advantage. If i were him. I would think about being the free speech candidate.
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Freeze peach!!!

No one is shutting conservatives down. If Bernier and the PPC want to play the victim, and also somehow the power, go for it. Hopefully most people can see through this.
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Merry wrote:
oldtrucker wrote:I personally can't identify with Scheer - he is a hardcore catholic

Scheer, like Trudeau, is a Roman Catholic, but whether he’s “hard core” or not I can’t say, because I don’t know (and, I suspect, neither do you).

You shouldn’t allow your experience with your mom to colour your view of all Roman Catholics, because I know several who identify as such but who are definitely not “hard core”.

I haven’t heard anything that Scheer has said since becoming Party Leader that has me the least little bit concerned that he’ll try to force his religious beliefs on the rest of us. In fact he has vehemently denied that he’ll do any such thing. Yet his opponents keep trying to paint him as someone who will. So I’m pretty sure they’re applying Catherine Mckenna’s logic that “if you say it often enough people will come to believe it”. But if the only way you can get people to vote for your guy is to tell lies about his opponent, that doesn’t say much about the electability of your own candidate, now does it?

This topic is absolutely fascinating to me. When I get a few free minutes I'll make a Venn diagram to explain why Scheer's religion is a turn-off for many while Trudeau's or Chretien's (who by all accounts is much more devout than Trudeau) don't turn people off.

Singh's religion is also a turn-off for a large segment of the population, including those who vote NDP.
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Chretien is by far the most conventionally "strict" PM/candidate we've seen for a long time. I think Sheer, even though he's Catholic, gets lumped in with the Southern Evangelist / Tea Party Christian that was dragged the conservative rhetoric in North America hard to the right over the last 10 years.

Trump likely wouldn't recognize the bible in the bedside table of a hotel room, yet all he has to say is "he loves the bible" and the religious right automatically ties specific values to this. This rhetoric, right or wrong, has become so closely tied to being a "conservative", that Canadian non-conservatives overreact and believe that a Canadian conservative may operate in the same manner as an Alabama Republican.

Of all of the things to potentially criticize Scheer for, being a militant hard right Christian doesn't seem like one of them. The big tent conservative movement will have this element within the party, but doesn't seem like it is at the leadership level.

Bernier's PPC is definitely of the more Nationalist Libertarian front than traditional conservative.

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